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Subject: RE: [oasis-charter-discuss] Proposed Charter for OASIS Identity in the Clouds TC
Co-Chair of OASIS PLCS TC concurs. Development of standards needs to be done against one or more use cases. These cases can then be used to promote the solutions as solving actual problems. The US and European aerosapce and defence industries use a similar approach when selecting standards for industry-wide recommended adoption - I co-chair the standards strategy groups in both trade associations and would welcome a clear proposal for action, especially taken into consideration against major existing efforts such as TSCP (Transglobal Secure Collaboration Program) Howard Mason Corporate IT Office Tel: +44 1252 383129 Mob: +44 780 171 3340 Eml: howard.mason@baesystems.com BAE Systems plc Registered Office: 6 Carlton Gardens, London, SW1Y 5AD, UK Registered in England & Wales No: 1470151 -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Durusau [mailto:patrick@durusau.net] Sent: 21 February 2010 22:31 To: oasis-charter-discuss@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: [oasis-charter-discuss] Proposed Charter for OASIS Identity in the Clouds TC *** WARNING *** This message has originated outside your organisation, either from an external partner or the Global Internet. Keep this in mind if you answer this message. Greetings! The original charter for this TC appears at: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/oasis-charter-discuss/201001/msg000 00.html and my original comments: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/oasis-charter-discuss/201001/msg000 03.html. To its credit, the charter now has support from both IBM and Microsoft, so we are only missing Amazon, Google and Oracle, to name a few of the other major players in *cloud* computing. Remaining/recurrent issues include (I haven't tried to be exhaustive): 1) OASIS TC proposals should not invent confusing terminology in any standards area. For example, there isn't any "Identity in the Clouds" technical effort anywhere in known space. There are standards being developed for *cloud* computing and questions of identity in the *cloud.* The name of this TC and its charter are noise pollution in an important area of computing. 2) OASIS TC proposals should propose the development of *standards* to address known issues. It is inappropriate to propose a charter with no known purpose or target for its effort, other than to go "gap hunting" through other standards efforts. From the description in the charter, it bears a strong resemblance to a "snipe hunt." (On which see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snipe_hunt) 3) An OASIS TC isn't necessary to find and communicate "gaps" noticed in Identity Management protocols. Email to the authors of those protocols would suffice. 4) Unless other standards efforts have designated the proposed TC as the arbiter of terms and their definitions, the goal to "harmonize definitions/terminologies/vocabulary of Identity in the context of Cloud Computing" seems unlikely to be successful. Particularly since this effort starts with fanciful invention of terms in the area. Let's cut to the chase. This is a TC to go hunting for a standard or perhaps not, to write. Why not develop one or more use cases that illustrate a gap in existing standards, create or have a proposal to create a standard or profile to address that gap and then form a TC? What is so hard about that? It would have a defined scope, a meaningful description of a projected work product, a description that could entice others into joining the work, a place to fit into the larger panoply of standards in the area, in short all the things one expects of a standards TC and its work product. As I said in my original comments, this is an *important* area of computing. It is an area where OASIS should be encouraging the formation of *useful* TCs to address known issues. Forming TCs to go "gap hunting" in existing or new areas of computing technology does not reflect well on OASIS and by extension its members. Let's not embarrass ourselves by forming a TC that has no clear purpose or goal. Hope everyone is at the start of a great week! Patrick PS: I am a member of the OASIS Technical Advisory Board (TAB) but this posting does not reflect any official view of the TAB or OASIS. -- Patrick Durusau patrick@durusau.net Chair, V1 - US TAG to JTC 1/SC 34 Convener, JTC 1/SC 34/WG 3 (Topic Maps) Editor, OpenDocument Format TC (OASIS), Project Editor ISO/IEC 26300 Co-Editor, ISO/IEC 13250-1, 13250-5 (Topic Maps) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that generates this mail. Follow this link to all your TCs in OASIS at: https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups.php ******************************************************************** This email and any attachments are confidential to the intended recipient and may also be privileged. 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