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Subject: Re: [oasis-charter-discuss] Proposed Charter for OASIS Topology and Orchestration Specification for Cloud Applications (TOSCA) TC
On Oct 20, 2011, at 10:49 AM, Simon D Moser wrote:
Hi Martin, consistent with common OASIS practice
I'm not sure why you think this is "common practice". AFAIK, the common practice has been to make input specifications available as part of the Charter review process and for it be actually contributed at the first meeting.
How can anyone, except the authors look at your specification, conduct a proper evaluation of the charter?
Aside from evaluating the technical particulars of the charter requirements to see if it fits with their business interests, how can a potential member make the required IPR commitment when they are unable to see the work which form the initial basis for TC's work.?
Oracle will not be able to start its internal process for consideration of joining the TC until that information is available.
cheers, jeff
, the authoring companies have decidedto share the specification only at the first meeting, where it will be aninput document for the upcoming TC. In the meantime, we can share an overview presentation with you - see http://www.slideshare.net/sdmoser/tosca-9798191. Hopefully you canparticipate in this first meeting, and until then use the presentation and the charter to determine whether you would be interested in participatingin this standardization effort. Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Kind regards Simon Moser Cloud Computing Architect Dept. C453, IBM Research & Development Boeblingen ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- IBM Deutschland Schoenaicher Str. 220 71032 Boeblingen Phone: +49-7031-16-4304 Fax: +49-7031-16-4890 E-Mail: smoser@de.ibm.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- IBM Deutschland Research & Development GmbH / Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats: Martin Jetter Geschäftsführung: Dirk Wittkopp Sitz der Gesellschaft: Böblingen / Registergericht: Amtsgericht Stuttgart, HRB 243294 From: Martin Chapman <MARTIN.CHAPMAN@ORACLE.COM> To: Chet Ensign <chet.ensign@oasis-open.org>,tc-announce@lists.oasis-open.org, members@lists.oasis-open.org ,oasis-charter-discuss@lists.oasis-open.org, Staff <staff@lists.oasis-open.org> Cc: steve.g.jones@capgemini.com, ncamwing@cisco.com, roland.wartenberg@citrix.com, ings@ca.ibm.com,dhiraj.pathak@us.pwc.com, mlittle@redhat.com, "Patil, Sanjay"<sanjay.patil@sap.com>, prasad.yendluri@softwareag.com, Dpalma@virtunomic.com, Paul Fremantle <paul@wso2.com>, azeez@wso2.com, thilinab@wso2.com, srinath@wso2.com, sanjiva@wso2.com, charith@wso2.com, steve.winkler@sap.com, "Probst, Richard" <richard.probst@sap.com>, michael.schuster@sap.com, allen.bannon@sap.com, kevin.poulter@sap.com, vsarathy@redhat.com, syu@redhat.com,lutter@redhat.com, jdunning@redhat.com, ctrielof@redhat.com,Frank.Leymann@iaas.uni-stuttgart.de, Jeff Mischkinsky<JEFF.MISCHKINSKY@ORACLE.COM>, Gerd Breiter/Germany/ IBM@IBMDE, Thomas Spatzier/Germany/IBM@IBMDE, mbaskey@us.ibm.com, Simon DMoser/Germany/IBM@IBMDE, wayne.adams@emc.com, Shishir.Pardikar@citrix.com, najoy@cisco.com, "Sundaresh, Chandrasekha" <Chandrasekha.Sundaresh@ca.com>, "Sijelmassi, Rachid" <Rachid.Sijelmassi@ca.com>, "Moscovich, Efraim"<Efraim.Moscovich@ca.com>, jani.anttila@capgemini.com, "Lipton,Paul C" <Paul.Lipton@ca.com>, shankar@wso2.com Date: 20.10.2011 15:40Subject: RE: [oasis-charter-discuss] Proposed Charter for OASIS Topology and Orchestration Specification for Cloud Applications (TOSCA)TC Chet, Is reference [1] publicly available anywhere, or available to OASIS members. Its hard to determine interest without it! Martin.-----Original Message----- From: Chet Ensign [mailto:chet.ensign@oasis-open.org] Sent: 20 October 2011 13:19 To: tc-announce@lists.oasis-open.org; members@lists.oasis-open.org;oasis-charter-discuss@lists.oasis-open.org; Staff Cc: steve.g.jones@capgemini.com; ncamwing@cisco.com;roland.wartenberg@citrix.com; ings@ca.ibm.com; dhiraj.pathak@us.pwc.com ;mlittle@redhat.com; Patil, Sanjay; prasad.yendluri@softwareag.com;Dpalma@virtunomic.com; Paul Fremantle; azeez@wso2.com; thilinab@wso2.com ;srinath@wso2.com; sanjiva@wso2.com; charith@wso2.com;steve.winkler@sap.com;Probst, Richard; michael.schuster@sap.com; allen.bannon@sap.com; kevin.poulter@sap.com; vsarathy@redhat.com; syu@redhat.com; lutter@redhat.com; jdunning@redhat.com; ctrielof@redhat.com; Frank.Leymann@iaas.uni-stuttgart.de; GBREITER@de.ibm.com; thomas.spatzier@de.ibm.com; mbaskey@us.ibm.com; smoser@de.ibm.com; wayne.adams@emc.com; Shishir.Pardikar@citrix.com; najoy@cisco.com; Sundaresh, Chandrasekha; Sijelmassi, Rachid; Moscovich, Efraim; jani.anttila@capgemini.com; Lipton, Paul C; shankar@wso2.comSubject: [oasis-charter-discuss] Proposed Charter for OASIS Topology andOrchestration Specification for Cloud Applications (TOSCA) TC To OASIS Members: A draft TC charter has been submitted to establish the OASIS Topology and Orchestration Specification for Cloud Applications (TOSCA) Technical Committee. In accordance with the OASIS TC Process Policy section 2.2: (http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/process-2009-07- 30.php#formation) the proposed charter is hereby submitted for comment. The comment period shall remain open until 11:45 pm ET on 3 November 2011. OASIS maintains a mailing list for the purpose of submitting comments on proposed charters. Any OASIS member may post to this list by sending email to: oasis-charter-discuss@lists.oasis-open.org. All messages will be publicly archived at: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/oasis-charter-discuss/. Members who wish to receive emails must join the group by selecting "join group" on the group home page: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/oasis-charter-discuss/. Employees of organizational members do not require primary representative approval to subscribe to the oasis-charter-discuss e-mail. A telephone conference will be held among the Convener, the OASIS TCAdministrator, and those proposers who wish to attend within four daysof the close of the comment period. The announcement and call-ininformation will be noted on the OASIS Charter Discuss Group Calendar.We encourage member comment and ask that you note the name of the proposed TC (TOSCA TC) in the subject line of your email message. --- PROPOSED CHARTER 1.a Name of the TC: OASIS Topology and Orchestration Specification for Cloud Applications (TOSCA) Technical Committee 1.b Statement of Purpose: The goal of the Topology and Orchestration Specification for CloudApplications (TOSCA) TC is to substantially enhance the portability ofcloud applications and the IT services that comprise them running on complex software and hardware infrastructure. TOSCA will facilitate this goal by enabling the interoperable description of application and infrastructure cloud services, the relationships between parts of the service, and the operationalbehavior of these services (e.g., deploy, patch, shutdown) independentof the supplier creating the service, and any particular cloudprovider or hosting technology. TOSCA will also enable the associationof that higher-level operational behavior with cloud infrastructure management. This capability will greatly facilitate much higher levels of cloud service/solution portability without lock-in, including: * Portable deployment to any compliant cloud * Easier migration of existing applications to the cloud * Flexible bursting (consumer choice) * Dynamic multi-cloud provider applicationsUltimately, this will benefit the consumers, developers, and providersof cloud-based solutions and provide an essential foundation for even higher-level TOSCA-based vocabularies that could be focused on specific solutions and domains. 1.c Scope of Work: The TOSCA TC intends to accept as one input the draft TOSCA specification [1] provided by Capgemini, CA Technologies, Cisco, Citrix, EMC, IBM, PwC, Red Hat, SAP, Software AG, Virtunomic, and WSO2, as well as any subsequent input documents accepted by the TOSCA TC. The TOSCA TC will use this draft TOSCA specification as a foundation for further standardization of a basic set of concretecomponents, relationships and properties (with extension mechanisms to add additional components, relationships and properties). Further workon specific vocabularies, based on these extension mechanisms, is outof scope for this specification, but could begin in parallel with thisproject, using the TOSCA naming syntax. The scope of the TOSCA TC's work is to produce specifications that standardize the concepts as well as XML documents and XML Schema renderings of the areas described below by further refinement and finalization of the input document and any subsequent input documents accepted by the TOSCA TC. The following items are specifically in scope of the resulting TOSCA specification: 1. A language that provides the ability to specify a Service Template that can define the topology (or structure) of a service and that can utilize existing process modeling standards (especially BPMN 2.0) to define orchestration (via "plans") that can invoke the manageability behavior of cloud services. 2. A syntax for naming component types, components, relationship types, relationships, and properties, and for grouping of components. 3. The ability to constrain the use of the various elements and their properties that define the topology of a service. 4. The ability to cross-reference Service Templates to enablecomposition of services and to enable the management of instantiationsof a Service Template in heterogeneous environments. 5. The ability to use virtual images as implementation artifacts for parts of a Service Template. 6. The ability to use application artifacts (e.g. JEE, ABAP, etc) as deployment artifacts for parts of a Service Template. 7. The ability to use other artifacts (e.g. EAR files, OVF files, SCA components, etc) as deployment artifacts for parts of a Service Template. 8. The ability to annotate the various elements that define the topology of a Service Template with policies that influence use of instances of a Service Template. Such annotations could leverage a wide range of policy languages (e.g. WS-Policy [2], KaoS [3], etc.). Compatibility: There are no formal requirements for upward compatibility. Nevertheless, the specification should be compatible with existing business process modeling standards like BPMN 2.0 [4] and WS-BPEL [5]. Furthermore, interfaces of component types should be able to be expressed in a proper REST-style based on HTTP and specified via WSDL 1.1, and allow for the use of scripts. Out of Scope: The following is a non-exhaustive list. It is provided only for the sake of clarity. If some function, mechanism or feature is not mentioned here, and it is not mentioned in the Scope of Work section, then it will be deemed to be out of scope. The following items are specifically out of scope of the TOSCA specification: 1. The definition of concrete cloud services, i.e. the definition of concrete component types, relationship types, and topology templates. However, standardization of a basic set of concrete component types, relationship types and properties is intended to be enabled by this work, and could begin in parallel with this project, with appropriate coordination. 2. The definition of concrete plans, i.e. the definition of plans in any process modeling language like BPMN or BPEL.3. The definition of a language for defining plans (i.e. a new processmodeling language). 4. The definition of concrete policies influencing the management and use of instances of a Service Template. 5. The emphasis of any particular single technology (e.g. hypervisor virtualization) for the implementation of cloud services. 6. The emphasis of any particular policy definition language ormechanism.7. The architecture of a service container used to instantiate servicedefinitions and manage such instances. 8. The interface definitions of a service container. 9. A graphical notation for modeling Service Templates. 10. The definition of semantic models for cloud services. 11. The specification of functional behavior as well as functional composition of cloud services. Subsequent specifications may provide the Service Templates of concrete cloud services. This will enable, for example, the creation of catalogues of Service Templates in various application domains. 1.d Deliverables The TOSCA TC will provide the following set of deliverables: 1. A revised Topology and Orchestration Specification for Cloud Applications, and associated XML Schema plus conformance statements will be approved and completed by the TC within nine months of the first TOSCA TC meeting. 2. A set of sample Cloud Service Templates and related artifacts will be approved and completed by the TC within nine months of the firstTOSCA TC meeting. These examples are non-normative, but can be used as test cases for testing conformance of individual TOSCA implementationsas well as interoperability between multiple TOSCA implementations. 3. Optionally, such other non-normative deliverables within the scope listed in paragraphs 1-8 such as tutorials or presentations), as the TC may elect, within nine months of the first TOSCA TC meeting. Maintenance: Once the TC has completed work on a deliverable and ithas become an OASIS Standard, the TC will enter "maintenance mode" forthe deliverable. The purpose of maintenance mode is to provide minor revisions to previously adopted deliverables to clarify ambiguities, inconsistencies and obvious errors. Maintenance mode is not intended to enhance a deliverable or to extend its functionality. The TC will collect issues raised against the deliverables and periodically process those issues. Issues that request or require new or enhanced functionality shall be marked as enhancement requests and set aside. Issues that result in the clarification or correction of the deliverables shall be processed. The TC shall maintain a list ofthese adopted clarifications and shall periodically create a new minorrevision of the deliverables including these updates. Periodically, but at least once a year, the TC shall produce and vote upon a new minor revision of the deliverables. 1.e IPR Mode This TC will operate under the "RF (Royalty Free) on Limited Terms" IPR mode as defined in the OASIS Intellectual Property Rights (IPR) Policy. 1.f Anticipated Audience The anticipated audience for this work includes: 1. Vendors and service providers offering products and/or services designed to host or support cloud services, especially... a. Solutions used to model and create cloud services b. Solutions that support the execution of cloud services c. Solutions that manage cloud servicesd. Solutions designed to provide (parts of) cloud services as virtualimages e. Solutions designed to deploy or manage cloud services across multiple service providers 2. Other specification authors that require cloud Service Templates 3. Software architects who design, write, integrate and deploy cloud services in a cloud environment as well as in a mix of cloud environments and on-premise environments 4. End users implementing solutions that require an interoperable, composable solution using cloud services Language 1.g Language: The output documents will be written in (US) English. References: [1] Topology and Orchestration Specification for Cloud Applications, Draft Specification, September 2011.[2] Web Services Policy 1.5 - Framework, W3C Recommendation, availablevia http://www.w3.org/TR/ws-policy/[3] KAoS, Florida Institute for Human and Machine Cognition, availablevia http://ontology.ihmc.us/index.html [4] OMG Business Process Model and Notation (BPMN) Version 2.0, available via http://www.omg.org/spec/BPMN/2.0/ [5] OASIS Web Services Business Process Execution Language (WS-BPEL) 2.0, available via http://docs.oasis-open.org/wsbpel/2.0/wsbpel-v2.0.pdf ADDITIONAL INFORMATION: 2.a Identification of similar or applicable work: The proposed "TOSCA TC" will be incorporating definitions and terminologies from OASIS standards bodies as well as standards workdone by non-OASIS organizations. As stated in the charter, The TC will use standard a standard from one non-OASIS organization and may chooseto use the works of other OASIS TCs and standards from non-OASIS organizations, as it sees fit. Liaisons may be established, and the TC may agree to concurrent work items with other TCs and organizations, within the scope defined here. Among other things, the TC may establish liaisons with ISO JTC1 SC 38, the DMTF, and such other standards organizations, as it may choose. 2.b The date, time, and location of the first meeting: The proposed "TOSCA TC" will hold the first official meeting onDecember 8th, 2011 at 7:00am (PT) / 10:00am (ET) by telephone and willuse a free conference call service. 2.c The projected on-going meeting schedule for the year: The TC will meet weekly or as otherwise agreed upon by the members of the technical committee. 2.d The names, electronic mail addresses, and membership affiliations of at least Minimum Membership who support this proposal: Steve Jones, steve.g.jones@capgemini.com (Capgemini) Jani Anttila, jani.anttila@capgemini.com (Capgemini) Paul Lipton, paul.lipton@ca.com (CA Technologies) Efraim Moscovich, Efraim.Moscovich@ca.com (CA Technologies) Rachid Sijelmassi, Rachid.Sijelmassi@ca.com (CA Technologies)Chandrasekha Sundaresh, Chandrasekha.Sundaresh@ca.com (CA Technologies)Naveen Joy, najoy@cisco.com (Cisco Systems)Roland Wartenberg, roland.wartenberg@citrix.com (Citrix Systems, Inc.)Shishir Pardikar, Shishir.Pardikar@citrix.com (Citrix Systems, Inc.) Wayne Adams, wayne.adams@emc.com (EMC) Simon Moser, smoser@de.ibm.com (IBM) Mike Baskey, mbaskey@us.ibm.com (IBM) Thomas Spatzier, thomas.spatzier@de.ibm.com (IBM) Gerd Breiter, GBREITER@de.ibm.com (IBM) Frank Leymann, Frank.Leymann@iaas.uni-stuttgart.de (IBM) Dhiraj Pathak, PhD, dhiraj.pathak@us.pwc.com (PwC) Mark Little (Red Hat) mlittle@redhat.com - Primary Contact Carl Trieloff (Red Hat) ctrielof@redhat.com - Secondary Contact John Dunning (Red Hat) jdunning@redhat.com - Technical Contact David Lutter (Red Hat) lutter@redhat.com - Technical Contact Sherry Yu (Red Hat) syu@redhat.com - Technical Contact Vijay Sarathy (Red Hat) vsarathy@redhat.com - Marketing Contact Steve Winkler, steve.winkler@sap.com, SAP Richard Probst, richard.probst@sap.com, SAP Michael Schuster, michael.schuster@sap.com, SAP Allen Bannon, allen.bannon@sap.com, SAP Kevin Poulter, kevin.poulter@sap.com, SAP Prasad Yendluri, Prasad.Yendluri@softwareag.com (Software AG) Derek Palma, Dpalma@virtunomic.com, (Virtunomic) Afkham Azeez, azeez@wso2.com (WSO2) Thilina Buddhika, thilinab@wso2.com (WSO2) Paul Fremantle, paul@wso2.com (WSO2) Srinath Perera, srinath@wso2.com (WSO2) Selvaratnam Uthaiyashankar, shankar@wso2.com (WSO2) Sanjiva Weerawarana, sanjiva@wso2.com (WSO2) Charith Wickramarachchi, charith@wso2.com (WSO2) 2.e Primary Representative Approval Statements: Steve Jones, steve.g.jones@capgemini.com Global Director MDM, Capgemini As Capgemini's Primary Representative, I approve the TOSCA TC Charter and its goals of standardising the management and orchestration of cloud solutions, and support our proposers (listed above) as a named co-proposers. Nancy Cam-Winget, ncamwing@cisco.com Distinguished Engineer, Cisco Systems, Inc As Cisco Systems Primary Representative, I approve the TOSCA TC Charter and its worthwhile goals, and support our proposers (listed above) as a named co-proposers. Paul Lipton, paul.lipton@ca.com VP, Industry Standards and Open Source, CA Technologies As CA Technologies Primary Representative, I approve the TOSCA TC Charter and its worthwhile goals, and support our proposers (listed above) as a named co-proposers. Roland Wartenberg, roland.wartenberg@citrix.com Director, Strategic Alliances, Citrix Systems Inc. As Citrix Primary Representative, I approve the TOSCA TC Charter and its worthwhile goals, and support our proposers (listed above) as a named co-proposers. Rob Philpott, robert.philpott@emc.com Senior Technologist, RSA division of EMC As EMC's Primary Representative for OASIS, EMC is pleased with the prospect of developing the TOSCA specifications under OASIS, and approve the TOSCA TC Charter. I support our proposer as a named co-proposer. Additionally, EMC plans to bring more representatives tothis project once this important new work is established within OASIS.Dave Ings, ings@ca.ibm.com Emerging Software Standards As IBM's primary OASIS rep, I approve the TOSCA TC Charter, and endorse our proposers (listed above) as named co-proposers. Dhiraj Pathak, PhD, dhiraj.pathak@us.pwc.com PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP Mark Little, mlittle@redhat.com As the Red Hat's Primary Representative to OASIS, I approve the TOSCATC Charter and its worthwhile goals, and support our proposers (listedbelow) as a named co-proposers. Sanjay Patil, sanjay.patil@sap.com Standards Management & Strategy, SAP AG As SAP's Primary Representative for OASIS, I am excited with the prospect of developing the TOSCA specifications under OASIS, and approve the TOSCA TC Charter. I support our proposers (listed above) as the named co-proposers. Prasad Yendluri, prasad.yendluri@softwareag.com VP & Deputy CTO As Software AG's Primary Representative to OASIS, I approve the TOSCA TC Charter and its stated goals, and support our proposers (listed above) as a named co-proposers. Derek Palma, Dpalma@virtunomic.com CTO Virtunomic Inc As Virtunomic's Primary Representative for OASIS, I am excited with the prospect of developing the TOSCA specifications under OASIS, and approve the TOSCA TC Charter. Paul Fremantle, paul@wso2.com As WSO2's primary representative to OASIS, fully support the proposed TOSCA TC charter, and support our proposers (listed above) as named co-proposers. 2.f Convener: Paul Lipton, CA Technologies 2.h Optional list of anticipated contributions: The TOSCA TC intends to use as a foundation and input the draft TOSCA specification [1] provided by Capgemini, CA Technologies, Cisco, Citrix, EMC, IBM, PwC, Red Hat, SAP, Software AG, Virtunomic, and WSO2, as well as any subsequent input documents accepted by the TOSCA TC. -- /chet ---------------- Chet Ensign Director of Standards Development and TC Administration OASIS: Advancing open standards for the information society http://www.oasis-open.org Primary: +1 973-378-3472 Mobile: +1 201-341-1393 Follow OASIS on: LinkedIn: http://linkd.in/OASISopen Twitter: http://twitter.com/OASISopen Facebook: http://facebook.com/oasis.open ---------------------------------------------------------------------To unsubscribe, e-mail: oasis-charter-discuss- unsubscribe@lists.oasis-open.org For additional commands, e-mail: oasis-charter-discuss-help@lists.oasis- open.org
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