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Subject: Suggestion for long term goal : Get rid of the concept that text/spreadsheet/drawing/database are separate documents.
+NAME Cinly OOI +CONTACT cinly.ooi_AT_gmail.com +CATEGORY (select one or more from below) other +SCOPE (select one or more from below) general +USE CASE Nowadays, with moderate skills, it is common to (1) do mail merge where the text document supply the template, and a database supply the recipient list. (2)To embed into tables spreadsheet-like formula, e.g. =sum(...) which ODF supports. Embedding spreadsheet is possible, but difficult to manipulate. However, it is not possible to put the database into the text document or to create and keep a spreadsheet inside a text document. +DESCRIPTION Currently, virtually all applications/document format employ the concept that text document, spreadsheet and database are separate distinct documents. (Moderate to advanced) users nowadays expects to be able to have the full capability of spreadsheet for their table in a text document or drawing program inside their text document. After using spreadsheet like formula, in that instance @sum(), in OpenOffice.org table in a odf document, I will love to see the full capability of spreadsheet replacing table in the text document. With this, I mean to enable OpenOffice.org (or other applications) to put a spreadsheet inside my word document, not storing it separately then import or embed. In some ways, Apple's Numbers application is the source of inspiration of what I am proposing. One can put multiple spreadsheets into a single page, add text boxes and figures onto the canvas, but Apple stops there. What I cannot do is to edit my spreadsheet inside a text document. Approximating a combined text/spreadsheet document by arranging text boxes around a spreadsheet just is not the same thing. I think to do it we need to allow spreadsheet insides word document, database inside text document, text document inside spreadsheet and complex maneuver like this. I consider "embedding" a Chart, Draw document, SpreadSheet document a rudimentary implementation because (1) we do not get the full capability of Spreadsheet when defining Chart and table data or (2)we need to carry an additional document, i.e., the draw document or spreadsheet document. The "Master document" architecture can be used as an interim solution where one can stitch word documents, database and spreadsheet into a big document. However, it would be better if the power of mixing spreadsheet/word document/drawing and database can be accessible to joe user without the complexity of "master document". [I am only a novice with ODF, so please correct me if I am wrong] As I see it, currently there is a very sharp separation between text document, spreadsheet, draw document in ODF 1.0. Furthermore, there is no concept of a canvas that can stitch them together into a a single document. Do the committee thinks that it is necessary to soften this separation to facilitate application vendors to build such an application. Is it possible, or feasible, to create a combined text/spreadsheet/database/drawing document? Best Regards, Cinly
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