RE: [office-comment] embedding images in ODF

["Wouter van Vugt" <wouter@code-counsel.net>]

Bart. You have my vote.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Hanssens Bart [mailto:Bart.Hanssens@fedict.be] 
Sent: maandag 22 juni 2009 17:58
To: Wouter van Vugt; Ming Fei Jia
Cc: office-comment@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: RE: [office-comment] embedding images in ODF

+1 on making media-type a required attribute

But Mingfei is right regarding wmf not being a IANA registered media
type...
So the ODF spec could say something like:

- use the IANA registered type if it's available
- if not, use (one of the) "unregistered" commonly used mime types (and
document this in your implementer's notes ;-)
- if that's not available, fall back to application/octet-stream etc


Best regards,

Bart
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From: Wouter van Vugt [wouter@code-counsel.net]
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 5:36 PM
To: Wouter van Vugt; Ming Fei Jia
Cc: office-comment@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: RE: [office-comment] embedding images in ODF

e.g. for really totally unknown pieces of content (do these even
exist?), you can fall back on some form of application/octet-stream, or
application/xml for xml files. That way at least people are helped, and
not hindered.

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Van: Wouter van Vugt [mailto:wouter@code-counsel.net]
Verzonden: ma 22-6-2009 17:35
Aan: Ming Fei Jia
CC: office-comment@lists.oasis-open.org
Onderwerp: RE: [office-comment] embedding images in ODF

Wouldn't making the media-type mandatory solve it all? It would also
ensure that future implementations follow some sensible approach to
this. Why else is there a media-type at all? Since the four default XML
files all use text/xml, the media-type is quite useless at this point in
time.

I think we should improve this area of the spec.
- require media-types for known files (image/wmf is known even to
noobish people like me) Heck, I didn't choose to insert a WMF, Symphony
did that for me. This is even more important for formats such as
image/WMZ (zipped WMF).
- use sensible media-types for the common four XML files. This allows
discoverability if a file is a presentation / spreadsheet / document.
Currently I need to open the content.xml and start parsing that.
Something like application/odf_document+xml or whatever.

In the end, I feel that media-type should be mandatory, not optional. It
is useless that way.

I agree on the filename. Not mandatory. I think the spec could say that
it is prefered to keep the filename intact. Most people will probably
not care though.



Wouter

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Van: Ming Fei Jia [mailto:jiamingf@cn.ibm.com]
Verzonden: ma 22-6-2009 17:18
Aan: Wouter van Vugt
CC: office-comment@lists.oasis-open.org
Onderwerp: Re: [office-comment] embedding images in ODF


Wouter,

Seems the question you asked are implementation specific. For Symphony,
you had better raise you issue in Symphony support forum. For
OpenOffice, you had better raise you issue in OpenOffice issuezilla.

I tried for both Symphony 1.3 and OpenOffice3.1. They have the same
result like you said for the 2 items. So these depend on OpenOffice code
base implementation. For the first, the file name is GUID like
structure, that may be a problem for someone, but may be not a problem
for someone else. Also, ODF spec does not define how the picture file
name should be like. For the second, does not specify the media type for
wmf file, this also an implementation specific issue. In the
wikimedia(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_media_type), does not
list wmf as common media type. If we think wmf is a common use media
type, that needs implementation improvement, not the standard issue.
Anyway, thanks report the issues.

"Wouter van Vugt" <wouter@code-counsel.net> wrote on 06/19/2009 02:52:53
PM:
> 06/19/2009 02:53 PM
>
> Subject:
>
> [office-comment] embedding images in ODF
>
> When adding an image into an ODF document using Lotus Symphony I
> noticed that the manifest contains the following information:
>
> <manifest:file-entry manifest:media-type="" manifest:full-
> path="Pictures/2000006A00000E3F0000107325797BF2.wmf"/>
>  <manifest:file-entry manifest:media-type="" manifest:full-
> path="Pictures/2000067F0000136800001363D5B042F0.wmf"/>
>
> Two things can be noticed here. First the file name was mangled into
> a GUID like structure, while that is technically unnecessary. Next,
> and even more amazing, is that the media-type is left unspecified.
> The only way I can now recognize this image as a WMF, is to use the
> file extension. This poses unnecessary difficulties for processing
> applications. Given my guess that Symphony generates conformant ODF,
> the spec should be adapter to require the media-type attribute when
> a decent value can be chosen.
>
> Proposed changes:
> -          Demand that file names are not mangled when embedding
> into a package.
> -          Demand that media-types be specified whenever possible
> (WMF is surely possible)