Re: [office] XMP XML:RDF Metadata

[robert_weir@us.ibm.com]

I'm confused. 

OpenDocument is an OASIS specification,
so I'd expect the technical refinement of the specification to occur under
OASIS.  I would not expect that outside, ad-hoc groups would set up
technical reviews with the participation of TC members outside of TC processes
and policies.  Doing so would seem to diminish whatever advantage
we have for promoting a standard developed within a legitimate standards
body.  Remember, even Microsoft can do as much as set up a Wiki and
invite some experts to develop a specification.  But this falls short
of doing it in an international recognized standards body, with defined
policies for decision making, IPR, public comment, liaison with other standards
bodies, etc.  

So let's be quite clear about what were
talking about here.  Are we soliciting public comment on the meta
data draft?  If so, let's put it out for public comment via normal
channels, so everyone (not just OpenDocument Fellowship) is aware of it
and has a fair opportunity to provide comment.  But I'd personally
be very careful about TC members refining an existing proposal in a different
organization under uncertain or incompatible IPR policies which may not
allow reincorporation into the OASIS ODF specification.  Better, in
my opinion, to let the public review and provide comments, and if they
want to submit a revised proposal, let them do so according to existing
policy.

-Rob

Michael Brauer - Sun Germany - ham02 - Hamburg <Michael.Brauer@Sun.COM>

11/15/2005 09:30 AM

To	mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org
cc	"'Gary Edwards'" <gary.edwards@OpenStack.us>, "'Office, OASIS'" <office@lists.oasis-open.org>
Subject	Re: [office] XMP XML:RDF Metadata

Hi Mary,
Hi everyone,

Mary McRae wrote On 11/15/05 14:01,:
>  Hi everyone,
> 
>    I tried to dial in yesterday and unfortunately couldn't
get through. I'm sorry to have missed the call. It's unclear to me
> exactly what is being proposed here. Is the metadata project still
considered a work item of the TC? If the answer is yes, all work

Yes. The metadata project is still considered a work item of the TC. What
we 
have a agreed yesterday was that we put the current meta data proposal
on our 
TC's web site and ask for feedback until December, the 19th. We urther
agreed to discuss the feedback we receive in the conference call of December,
the 19th. There was no decission to continue the meta data work item 
somewhere outside the OpenDocument TC.

> must be done within the OASIS framework. I know the TC has several
other very pressing issues to settle (accessibility, DRM,
> formulas, etc.) so maybe the decision was made not to undertake this
work item?

The TC's decission was to postpone the meta data discussion until we have
restructured the TC in a way that allows us to discuss the additional topics,
that have a higher priority for the moment, and to use the time to get
feedback for the proposal. There was no decission to cancel the the meta
data 
work item.

I therefore think that the TC is in agreement that the meta data work item
will be continued within the TC. Feedback to the TC's work is, as always,
welcome.

Best regards

Michael




> 
> Regards,
> 
> Mary 
> 
> 
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Gary Edwards [mailto:gary.edwards@OpenStack.us] 
>>Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 5:05 AM
>>To: Office, OASIS
>>Subject: [office] XMP XML:RDF Metadata
>>
>>Hi ODF,
>>
>>Following this mornings conference call i sent Florian's 
>>XML:RDF proposal to Bruce D'Arcus.  He set up a Metadata 
>>Project hosted by the OpenDocument Fellowship.  There is a
>>discussion list and a wiki to interactively build on the 
>>proposal Lars and Florian have spent so much time on.
>>
>>Bruce was able to enlist the services of the W3C - XML dev 
>>gang that first advised us on XML:RDF.  And guess what?  They
>>are back at it.  
>>Tread lightly, the fur is flying.  The ODF Fellowship 
>>volunteers will set about the task of beating the bushes for 
>>interested participants, and getting the word out that this 
>>is a high priority project needing high level participants.  
>>The volunteers will also handle project documentation and 
>>scarfing up needed resources.  This is how the OpenFormula
>>Project was brought back from the brink.  Hopefully, 
>>lightning will strike twice.  Even the legendary Daniel 
>>Volgelheim has been dragooned into joining the effort.  Who
>>would believe it?
>>
>>What the project really needs is the direct participation of 
>>Lars, Florian, and Patrick Durusau.  We also need the Adobe
>>experts to get directly involved.  I'll ping Duane about 
>>that.  My guess is that Duane is now a father and quite busy
>>with the world's first little OpenDoc'er
>>:)  Let's hope all is well with Duane and his family.  
>>Meanwhile, Duane has left me with a list of Adobe experts, 
>>and i'll take on the task of inviting them to the project. 
>>
>>One thing the project could use is a sense of what the TC 
>>would like them to produce.  So if possible, if anyone has
>>any thoughts on this, please jump in and help set the course 
>>for this effort.  I think they're on the right track, but
>>it's something the TC needs to keep a handle on.  If you 
>>recall the eMail dump i did from the last go around with the 
>>W3C guys, you'll understand how important it is that we 
>>provide some clear objectives and parameters.  (Like there
>>won't be a new metadata model unless it meets the needs of 
>>the primary applications represented on the TC :)
>>
>>You can find the the MetaData Project at:
>>http://opendocumentfellowship.org/Metadata/HomePage
>>
>>The listserve is at:
>>List name: odf-metadata@opendocumentfellowship.org
>><mailto:odf-metadata@opendocumentfellowship.org>
>>Subscribe: odf-metadata-subscribe@opendocumentfellowship.org
>><mailto:odf-metadata-subscribe@opendocumentfellowship.org>
>>
>>Hope this helps,
>>~ge~
>>
>>
>>
>>
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