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Subject: Re: [office] XMP XML:RDF Metadata
Rob, I agree to your position. In fact, we agreed to add the document to our document section and to ask for feedback on our normal channels. I have uploaded the document to our document section now, and I will announce it on our mailing list in a few minutes. Michael robert_weir@us.ibm.com wrote On 11/15/05 16:18,: > > I'm confused. > > OpenDocument is an OASIS specification, so I'd expect the technical > refinement of the specification to occur under OASIS. I would not > expect that outside, ad-hoc groups would set up technical reviews with > the participation of TC members outside of TC processes and policies. > Doing so would seem to diminish whatever advantage we have for > promoting a standard developed within a legitimate standards body. > Remember, even Microsoft can do as much as set up a Wiki and invite > some experts to develop a specification. But this falls short of doing > it in an international recognized standards body, with defined policies > for decision making, IPR, public comment, liaison with other standards > bodies, etc. > > So let's be quite clear about what were talking about here. Are we > soliciting public comment on the meta data draft? If so, let's put it > out for public comment via normal channels, so everyone (not just > OpenDocument Fellowship) is aware of it and has a fair opportunity to > provide comment. But I'd personally be very careful about TC members > refining an existing proposal in a different organization under > uncertain or incompatible IPR policies which may not allow > reincorporation into the OASIS ODF specification. Better, in my > opinion, to let the public review and provide comments, and if they want > to submit a revised proposal, let them do so according to existing policy. > > -Rob > > > > *Michael Brauer - Sun Germany - ham02 - Hamburg <Michael.Brauer@Sun.COM>* > > 11/15/2005 09:30 AM > > > To > mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org > cc > "'Gary Edwards'" <gary.edwards@OpenStack.us>, "'Office, OASIS'" > <office@lists.oasis-open.org> > Subject > Re: [office] XMP XML:RDF Metadata > > > > > > > > > Hi Mary, > Hi everyone, > > Mary McRae wrote On 11/15/05 14:01,: > > Hi everyone, > > > > I tried to dial in yesterday and unfortunately couldn't get > through. I'm sorry to have missed the call. It's unclear to me > > exactly what is being proposed here. Is the metadata project still > considered a work item of the TC? If the answer is yes, all work > > Yes. The metadata project is still considered a work item of the TC. > What we > have a agreed yesterday was that we put the current meta data proposal > on our > TC's web site and ask for feedback until December, the 19th. We urther > agreed to discuss the feedback we receive in the conference call of > December, > the 19th. There was no decission to continue the meta data work item > somewhere outside the OpenDocument TC. > > > must be done within the OASIS framework. I know the TC has several > other very pressing issues to settle (accessibility, DRM, > > formulas, etc.) so maybe the decision was made not to undertake this > work item? > > The TC's decission was to postpone the meta data discussion until we have > restructured the TC in a way that allows us to discuss the additional > topics, > that have a higher priority for the moment, and to use the time to get > feedback for the proposal. There was no decission to cancel the the meta > data > work item. > > I therefore think that the TC is in agreement that the meta data work item > will be continued within the TC. Feedback to the TC's work is, as always, > welcome. > > Best regards > > Michael > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Mary > > > > > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: Gary Edwards [mailto:gary.edwards@OpenStack.us] > >>Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 5:05 AM > >>To: Office, OASIS > >>Subject: [office] XMP XML:RDF Metadata > >> > >>Hi ODF, > >> > >>Following this mornings conference call i sent Florian's > >>XML:RDF proposal to Bruce D'Arcus. He set up a Metadata > >>Project hosted by the OpenDocument Fellowship. There is a > >>discussion list and a wiki to interactively build on the > >>proposal Lars and Florian have spent so much time on. > >> > >>Bruce was able to enlist the services of the W3C - XML dev > >>gang that first advised us on XML:RDF. And guess what? They > >>are back at it. > >>Tread lightly, the fur is flying. The ODF Fellowship > >>volunteers will set about the task of beating the bushes for > >>interested participants, and getting the word out that this > >>is a high priority project needing high level participants. > >>The volunteers will also handle project documentation and > >>scarfing up needed resources. This is how the OpenFormula > >>Project was brought back from the brink. Hopefully, > >>lightning will strike twice. Even the legendary Daniel > >>Volgelheim has been dragooned into joining the effort. Who > >>would believe it? > >> > >>What the project really needs is the direct participation of > >>Lars, Florian, and Patrick Durusau. We also need the Adobe > >>experts to get directly involved. I'll ping Duane about > >>that. My guess is that Duane is now a father and quite busy > >>with the world's first little OpenDoc'er > >>:) Let's hope all is well with Duane and his family. > >>Meanwhile, Duane has left me with a list of Adobe experts, > >>and i'll take on the task of inviting them to the project. > >> > >>One thing the project could use is a sense of what the TC > >>would like them to produce. So if possible, if anyone has > >>any thoughts on this, please jump in and help set the course > >>for this effort. I think they're on the right track, but > >>it's something the TC needs to keep a handle on. If you > >>recall the eMail dump i did from the last go around with the > >>W3C guys, you'll understand how important it is that we > >>provide some clear objectives and parameters. (Like there > >>won't be a new metadata model unless it meets the needs of > >>the primary applications represented on the TC :) > >> > >>You can find the the MetaData Project at: > >>http://opendocumentfellowship.org/Metadata/HomePage > >> > >>The listserve is at: > >>List name: odf-metadata@opendocumentfellowship.org > >><mailto:odf-metadata@opendocumentfellowship.org> > >>Subscribe: odf-metadata-subscribe@opendocumentfellowship.org > >><mailto:odf-metadata-subscribe@opendocumentfellowship.org> > >> > >>Hope this helps, > >>~ge~ > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS > >>TC that generates this mail. 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