Re: [office] Metadata & Bibliography work (Bibus as a possible example?)

[Patrick Durusau <patrick@durusau.net>]

Bruce,

Do you think it would be useful to invite the author of Bibus to join in 
the discussions?

Thinking that if he could be persuaded to use the new extensible module, 
that would be a good thing.

Or should we handle that outside of the SC/TC?

Hope you are having a great day!

Patrick

Bruce D'Arcus wrote:

>
> Hi David,
>
> On Feb 14, 2006, at 11:40 AM, David A. Wheeler wrote:
>
>> Bibus must have an internal data model of citations, and if it's
>> truly able to handle many different formats, then perhaps it'd be
>> a worthy example of a citation data model.
>
>
> I'm afraid not. He made a design choice which I think was wrong, which 
> was to base his data model on the existing bibliographic data model in 
> OOo, which is really limited. Indeed, my interest in a general 
> metadata extension system is precisely to get around these limitations 
> ;-)
>
>> I would VERY much like to see strong bibliographic support
>> in OpenDocument applications; that could be a distinguishing
>> (and VERY useful) capability.
>
>
> Indeed. I would go further, which is to say that not only would it be 
> a compelling feature in research, law and so forth -- an obvious 
> advantage -- but that ODF cannot succeed in those fields without it 
> (because of certain market forces and technical challenges mostly, 
> which are tied in part to a lack of standardization).
>
>> Perhaps examining Bibus would
>> be helpful in determining how to improve things.
>>
>> (Yes, I know there's more to metadata than citations, but
>> right now I perceive improved citation/reference support as the
>> most immediate need.)
>
>
> Bibliographic description and formatting is a good use case because 
> it's very demanding, particularly when you get into the humanities and 
> law. Given that I come from that end of the research spectrum, I 
> appreciate these demands better than most of the people that write 
> this software (who almost without exception come from the hard 
> sciences, which have much less demanding needs in general) because, 
> quite simply, I can't really publish without that knowledge.
>
> My argument about where we need to go with metadata I think covers all 
> of these needs fairly well.
>
> I think I also have a good handle on how to handle citation formatting 
> configuration, which is either through this standalone schema I wrote ...
>
>     <http://xbiblio.sourceforge.net/csl/>
>
> ... or, hopefully once we finish the metadata stuff, figuring out how 
> to adapt the approach to ODF's styling system (which I don't think 
> would be that hard given some recent changes I've made).
>
> Such an approach could also be used to configure other kinds of 
> metadata-sourced automatic formatting (captions and such).
>
> Bruce
>
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Patrick Durusau
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