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Subject: Re: [office] Re: Splitting View and Model
Elias, please see also my reply to Bruce's mail. Elias Torres wrote: > Michael.Brauer@Sun.COM wrote on 12/19/2006 11:09:05 AM: > > [snip] >>> >> It's maybe a stupid question, but why can't you use the date field >> described in section >> 6.2.1, >> which inserts a date into a document, instead of modeling this with > metadata? > > Sure. use the date-field. But this problem happens with any type of > information that has both a human and machine representation. Well, the date field is a machine representation, and I'm sure we can map it to RDF without replacing its XML representation with RDF-XML or RDF/A. Anyway, we should not take this as an argument for or against your proposal. > >> Independent of that, what are the benefits of knowing that the >> string ###localized data### >> string is date 2005-08-01 if that date is not related to any other >> information? > > That's not what I said. I said: Sorry, I did misunderstand that. > > It's the object of the triple created by the property attribute with > subject <foo>. > > Meaning that *it is* associated with a subject and that the subject is foo > as per in my example. Okay. > >> I would understand that example if the date would be a metadata of >> some other subject >> (let's say a camera purchase). But in this case, wouldn't it be more >> appropriate to keep >> all the data about the camera purchase in one place, and to >> reference them from the content? > > > Absolutely. That's *exactly* what I'm arguing for instead of putting in > another place. sigh. I'm confused. Are you arguing for putting the metadata into the content (for instance within a paragraph) or are you arguing for putting it to a location outside the content. If I did understand you correctly, then you say you are arguing for putting it in some other place than the content. But if I look at your example <span about="foo" property="dc:date" type="xsd:date" content="2005-08-01"> August 1, 2005 </span> then it seems to be included in the content. What am I missing? > > I want to let everyone know that I'm here legitimately and sincerely trying > answer everyone's questions and would like to point out that the questions > come in many forms and it's not easy. I have tried my best to explain the > merits of my proposal but I don't feel it's being well received and in some > ways I feel I'm slowing you down from the design you already seem to have. > Unfortunately, time is running out for me since I'll be going on vacation > from December 27th to sometime in February. I'll be there at the meeting > this Wednesday, but that's probably my last meeting I'll be present in a > while to help with the decision (I'll come back in February and will be > available for any questions you might have regardless of the final design > decision, that is if I know anything on the matter). I hope I have been of > help during this time and not just created more conflict or confusion. It > could be that I'm not seeing the problem correctly or my very little > knowledge of ODF and its implementations is clouding my thinking. I'm sorry > for this rant, but responding to everyone has taken a toll on my energy and > the questions keep going around in circles and not one person has shown > interest in actually looking at the matter from a constructive point of > view as opposed to just proposing counter-arguments without an actual > alternate proposal. Your contributions are very welcome, and I think it is a pity that you are not available for the next few weeks. Michael
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