Re: [office] Proposal for Index, Combining Entries, pp and passim

[Michael Brauer - Sun Germany - ham02 - Hamburg <Michael.Brauer@Sun.COM>]

Hi,

as agreed, below is my proposal for changing the description of

8.8.1.4 Combining Entries.

The current description is:

[...]

The pages referenced by a combined entry can be formatted as:

- As a range of numbers separated by a dash using the
   text:combine-entries-with-dash attribute.
- As the start number with a pp label, or the appropriate label
   for the chosen language, using the text:combine-entries-with-pp
   attribute.

I propose that we change the last sentence to:

- As the start number, followed by a "ff", or the appropriate label
   for the chosen language, using the text:combine-entries-with-pp
   attribute.

I further propose that we replace "XML 45pp" in table 13 with "XML 45ff".

Best regards

Michael




Michael Brauer - Sun Germany - ham02 - Hamburg wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> It seems to me that the "45pp" example in section 7.8.1 in fact is a 
> translation of the German "45ff". Unfortunately, it is not sufficient to 
>  change the example to either "XML 45-48 passim" or "XML, pp. 45-48", 
> because the description of the "text:combine-entries-with-pp" states
> 
> "As the start number with a pp label, or the appropriate label for the 
> chosen language, using the text:combine-entries-with-pp attribute"
> 
> This means that we have a restriction for the start number here. We have 
> (at least) to options to resolve this.
> 
> a) We allows language specific either a start number, or a range.
> 
> b) We keep the attribute as it is, but explicitly specify that a page 
> range is displayed if the text:combine-entries-with-dash attribute has 
> the value true.
> 
> Best regards
> 
> Michael
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Patrick Durusau wrote:
>> Dave,
>>
>> Dave Pawson wrote:
>>
>>> On 16/11/06, Patrick Durusau <patrick@durusau.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> > If you could name a reference that applies equally to all nations
>>>> > I guess that would apply.
>>>> >
>>>> I don't know of any reference that applies to all nations but,
>>>> conceptually I don't see how scattered references to XML on pages 45,
>>>> 46, 47, 48 could be represented as "XML 45pp" given the absence of an
>>>> end point for the references.
>>>
>>>
>>> that's a different issue from quoting a single nation reference as
>>> the reason to change how  bib references are handled.
>>> Are you saying that '45pp' is an idref, or that 45pp is the text content
>>> for the bib/index reference?
>>>
>> In the current specification, the text content is "45pp" to represent 
>> an index entry for XML on pages 45, 46, 47, 48.
>>
>> I was citing the reference as I suspected it was their intent to 
>> follow that style.
>>
>> But, as Bruce points out, you could have XML 45-48 pp. (as text 
>> content), but that is not what appears in the schema.
>>
>> Either way,  I suspect that  45pp is simply an error.
>>
>> Hope you are having a great day!
>>
>> Patrick
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't doubt that other indexing systems exist for denoting ranges 
>>>> that
>>>> contain references for an index entry. I would be interested in 
>>>> learning
>>>> of any widely used system that denotes a range of references with only
>>>> the starting point of the range.
>>>
>>>
>>> The bib system users have been fighting this for years and have a number
>>> of solutions. If Bruce is listening I'm surprised he hasn't come up with
>>> ready solutions. I think he's coded this class of problem in XSLT.
>>>
>>> If not, he's on the metadata group.
>>>
>>> regards
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
> 
> 


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