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Subject: OpenDocument TC work-call minutes 2007-02-19
* Rollcall Robert Weir, IBM Patric Durusau David Faure, KDE Jody Goldberg, Novell Florian Reueter, Novell Michael Brauer, Sun Microsystems Lars Oppermann, Sun Microsystems Oliver Wittmann, Sun Microsystems Gary Edwards, OpenDocument Foundation * Minutes from last work-call The attending TC members unanimously accepted the minutes from the last work-call. * Action Items Michael: create 1.1 errata document - now available in wiki * News/Reports OASIS symposium in San-Diego, Mid-April. Adoption TC proposed a joint meeting and has put that on the symposium agenda Rob: symposium is 3 days and there will be conference rooms available for f2f meetings. As members from ODF and ODF-Adoption are there, joint meeting was proposed More educational in nature (transfer of information) Rob: there will be some presentations of ODF interoperability and accessibility. Michael will present Sun odf toolkit work If someone else wants to participate in a panel, please let me know as I am also on the adoption TC Michael: for which day was the joint meeting scheduled Rob: That's Wednesday 18th of April (19th is Rob's birthday, bring presents) * Proposals Oliver: there was discussion between Thomas Zander and myself. We have sorted everything out now and I will post updated proposals tomorrow or on Wednesday. Should be possible to discuss those in the next call. RFC 4646 language tags: Michael: there was a reply from Martin... that there are no concerns with the proposal in principle and there were some suggestions to improve the wording which we will work into the proposals Text Grids: Michael: I understood that Florian wanted to prevent documents with mixed grids... Florian: correct Michael: ok, I previously got that wrong. I reread the spec and found that for other kinds of styles we have default attributes, that can be set. So we might add a default page layout. This would allow to set the layout for individual pages. Lars: for Word interoperability, is it a section setting there Florian: only for the new-style grids. There is no support for the traditional style grid... Michael: but using the default style solution is acceptable? Florian: yes. The old m ode can also be simulated by the new mode Michael: can you update the proposal Florian: yes Michael: there is currently no description of the algorithm. I already saw one, but it bounced when your colleague tried to post it to the mailing list... you should just resend it, so that we get it into the official channel Florian: I will integrate the description into the next version of the proposal... New Position and Space attributes Oliver: there is some discussion whether we need these attributes or not. Florian: can you summarize the concerns Oliver: Thomas didn't think the attributes are needed and that everything can be expressed with the current constructs Lars: visually or structural Oliver: there are examples, where some constructs that can be done with the new attributes that cannot be achieved with the old ones, and I posted some examples for that to the mailing list Lars: looks like the current spec can be interpreted to express everything that is needed but once we define the actual behavior, we exclude some cases. Oliver: yes, that's basically the point. Florian, maybe you can try to negotiate here Florian: I will try Remove dependency on OLE from embedding attributes - attending TC members agree to this proposal Extensions to Frame positioning Michael: possible not possible to align base line of frame with base line of surrounding text Florian: where does the information about the base-line come from Michael: it depends on the embedded object Lars: is it possible to store the base-line information along with the object Michael: we should look into that... Database Front-end Document type Michael: not a new proposal but has already been discussed before we started with 1.1 Florian: can you elaborate a bit on this one Michael: it specifies how a database is presented to the user. Forms, Reports... It does not specify the data itself Florian: I recall there were some concerns from KOffice DavidF: I forwarded some comments Michael: I was of the impression that we had aligned the proposals with KOffice, so I was a bit surprised about the comments DavidF: I thing the comments are more detailed this time Michael: From looking at the comments, I had the impression that it wasn't understood that the proposal does not specify the actual data storage... we will continue discussions here Chart Proposals: Lars: I am currently discussing Patrick's comments with the developers Signatures: Michael: META-INF can contain signature streams. the proposal says that these files should contain the term "signature" in their name, because the contents of the META-INF folder are not described by the manifest... Lars: this seems somewhat inconsistent to me. I would like to find all the information about the package in the manifest. I will go through the proposal and elaborate on this... Application Settings: Florian: I would like to move some of the layout-specific flags in writer into page or paragraph specific style attributes -- Lars Oppermann <lars.oppermann@sun.com> Sun Microsystems Software Engineer Nagelsweg 55 Phone: +49 40 23646 959 20097 Hamburg, Germany Fax: +49 40 23646 550 http://www.sun.com/staroffice
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