OpenDocument TC work-call minutes 2007-03-05

[Lars Oppermann <Lars.Oppermann@Sun.COM>]

* rollcall

Uri Resnitzky, ARX
Yue Ma, IBM
Robert Weir, IBM
Helen Yue, IBM
Patric Durusau
Florian Reueter, Novell
Michael Brauer, Sun Microsystems
Lars Oppermann, Sun Microsystems
Oliver Wittmann, Sun Microsystems
Eike Radtke, Sun Microsystems
Bruce D'Arcus
Gary Edwards, OpenDocument Foundation
David A. Wheeler, OpenDocument Foundation



* last meeting's minutes
The attending TC members unanimously accepted the minutes from the last
work-call.

* action items
none

* proposals

** numbered paragraphs (listid/style-override)
Florian: have not yet fully understood the proposal
I would like to see the schema
questions regrading statement that numbered paragraphs and (numbered)
lists are the same. For instance in cases of restarted numbering and
nested list. If this was disallowed in the schema, that issue would go
away. Thats why I would like to see the schema
Oliver: I will ask David for the schema and I would like to ask Florian
fore the schema to the style-override
Florian: that makes sense
Michael: we are discussing this for a very long time. Can you resolve
these issues by next Monday?
Florian: that is OK for me
Oliver: I will try to contact David and work towards resolving this too.
I should be able to post schemas no later than Wednesday.
Michael: good, this is going on for a long time. we really need to find a
compromise here
Florian: I find it very important that we do not rush this in without
gaining full understanding of all the issues
Oliver: I think that we have gained a good understanding during the very
long discussions which we already had on this. I summarized the debate
in the revised proposal that I sent out
Michael: we need some more specific information on the problems that
Florian sees with the proposal as it stands now.

** Position and space attributes for lists
Michael: there are question around whether some things we have now in
the spec are useful. They are however there because they are part of an
implementation.
Oliver: Florian and myself discussed the proposal over the last week and
I will be able to post a revised proposal by Tuesday or Wednesday so we
can vote on it by Monday

** digital signatures
Michael: I sent out proposal some days ago. There were two suggestions
posted how this could be enhanced with additional features. It is my
understanding that these would not actually impact the original proposal.
One was for .... other for visual signatures
Uri: while I worked on the visual signature proposal I saw that I didn't
need to change the original proposal. I however needed to add a
paragraph to the current proposal
But there is no conflict between the current proposal and what I am
working on. I hope to finish this by tomorrow.
Michael: I am also ok with dropping the part of the spec that prescribes
special names for the signature streams
Florian: have you considered using W3C signatures
Michael: it uses W3C signatures. It just describes how the signatures
are integrated into the package
Uri: it is essentially a detached signature which is part of W3C
signatures. W3C also has inline signatures but those are not included in
the proposal
Florian: so it is not possible to sign flatXML files. Is that by intention
Michael: yes
Florian: regarding normalization, is that restricted or do we allow all
W3C Sig normalizations.
Michael: allows all
Florian: is there the possibility to only sign the content without
signing the style information?
Michael: currently not..., there are macro-signatures that only sign
scripts.

** Language tags
Michael: there was a minor update to the wording

** Citation fields...
... will be addressed together with metadata SC spec

** Database front-end
Michael: OOo authors awaiting feedback from koffice developers

** Alignment of Frames
Michael: Florian remarked that this does not work in implementations
that cannot render formulas,
withdraw proposal for now..

** chart: right-angled axes
Lars: will get more information to Patrick

** style name attribute for text-outline
Florian: why you want to do this?
Oliver: It's about name clashes. In OOo we use an internal name to style
the outline, which may clash with a user defined list styles. It also
adds the ability to reference the outline style.

** Empty default outline level
...

** Animation for shapes on master pages
Michael: that animation in master pages are missing seems to be mostly
an oversight....

** Proposal (Comment) Chapter information in indexes

Michael: a general remark: for any proposals from non-TC members, we
must always make sure that they are submitted through the comments
facility. This is to ensure conformance with the IP policies.

** 6 chart proposals
... no further questions

Michael: we should be able to shorten the list of proposals
significantly next Monday.

Rob: I would like to confirm the meeting time for next monday, as the US
is switching to daylight savings time.
Patrick: we are going forward an hour. If we stay with CET like this, it
is an hour later in the US.
Michael: so we stay with the same UTC time until all daylight saving
changes are through

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