Re: [office] auto-play presentation file format like PPS

[Ming Fei Jia <jiamingf@cn.ibm.com>]

Hi Warren,

The wording "readonly" is referred to the existed wording in ODF spec. For example, in ODF 1.2 draft 6, there are the following definitions:

common-readonly-attlist
form:readonly
11611 line definition
<define name="common-readonly-attlist">
<optional>
<attribute name="form:readonly" a:defaultValue="false">
<ref name="boolean"/>
</attribute>
</optional>
</define>

Also, I don't think how "readonly" is hard to read. Thanks.


Best Regards,

Mingfei Jia(贾明飞)
IBM Lotus Symphony Development
IBM China Software Development LAB, Beijing
Tel: 86-10-82782244-2493 Fax: 86-10-62982924
NOTES:Ming Fei Jia/China/IBM E-mail: jiamingf@cn.ibm.com
Address: 4/F, DeShi Building No.9, East Road, ShangDi, Haidian District, Beijing 100085, PRC

"Warren Turkal" ---2008-04-14 22:33:38---I think the wording of the last paragraph needs to be improved. The

From:	"Warren Turkal" <turkal@google.com>
To:	Ming Fei Jia/China/IBM@IBMCN
Cc:	office@lists.oasis-open.org
Date:	2008-04-14 22:33
Subject:	Re: [office] auto-play presentation file format like PPS

---

I think the wording of the last paragraph needs to be improved. The
schema looks pretty good. However, I think it might be a little better
to use "read-only" instead of "readonly" as one of the modes since
readonly is a little harder to read.

Thanks,
wt

On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 12:05 AM, Ming Fei Jia <jiamingf@cn.ibm.com> wrote:
>
>
> Dear TC members,
>
>  This is the update proposal((See attached file:
> preferred-view-mode-proposal.odt)) for this topic based on Open Document
> Format Specification v1.1. Hope you have a nice day:)
>
>
>
>  Best Regards,
>
>  Mingfei Jia(贾明飞)
>  IBM Lotus Symphony Development
>  IBM China Software Development LAB, Beijing
>  Tel: 86-10-82782244-2493 Fax: 86-10-62982924
>  NOTES:Ming Fei Jia/China/IBM E-mail: jiamingf@cn.ibm.com
>  Address: 4/F, DeShi Building No.9, East Road, ShangDi, Haidian District,
> Beijing 100085, PRC
>  Re: [office] auto-play presentation file format like PPS
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> Re: [office] auto-play presentation file format like PPS
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>  Ming Fei Jia
>  to:
>  office
>
> 2008-04-08 14:59
>  ________________________________
>
>  Dear All,
>  According to the previous discussion, we can have another schema definition
> in the package layer([附件 "shortcut-open-mode-proposal.odt" 被 Ming Fei
> Jia/China/IBM 删除]yellow part is newly added). In this one, I put the
> shortcut-open-mode as an attribute of the manifest:file-entry, the advantage
> of this one is that the open mode is correlated with MIME type, but the
> disadvantage that I believe generally only the root file-entry needs this
> shortcut-open-mode attribute. For example,we can have a file entry
> description in the manifest file like this:
>
>
>  ......
>  <manifest:file-entry
>  manifest:media-type="application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.presentation"
>  manifest:full-path="/"
>  manifest:shortcut-open-mode = "view" //only this entry need the attribute
>
>  />
>  <manifest:file-entry
>  manifest:media-type="text/xml" manifest:full-path="content.xml"
>  manifest:size="3143">
>  </manifest:file-entry>
>  ......
>  We can choose between this definition and the previous one or anyting else.
> I prefer this one.
>
>  Best Regards,
>
>  Mingfei Jia(贾明飞)
>  IBM Lotus Symphony Development
>  IBM China Software Development LAB, Beijing
>  Tel: 86-10-82782244-2493 Fax: 86-10-62982924
>  NOTES:Ming Fei Jia/China/IBM E-mail: jiamingf@cn.ibm.com
>  Address: 4/F, DeShi Building No.9, East Road, ShangDi, Haidian District,
> Beijing 100085, PRC
>  Re: [office] auto-play presentation file format like PPS
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> Re: [office] auto-play presentation file format like PPS
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>  Ming Fei Jia
>  to:
>  office
>
> 2008-04-08 00:33
>  ________________________________
>
>  Dear TC member,
>
>  During a couple of weeks discussion, most of members prefer to define the
> open mode (view/edit) in package layer in order to adapt to multiple
> applications. Of course, different applications can have their own
> explanations for the view mode. For example, Presentation will explain the
> view mode as "auto-play" when double-click/Enter the document from OS shell.
> Word Processor and Spreadsheet may explain the view mode as a kind of
> read-only mode when double-click/Enter the document from OS shell. I prefer
> to use "shortcut-open-mode" to express this meaning since this open mode is
> restricted to the scenario of launching documents from OS shell directly by
> double-click or Enter key. Also I defined a mode set for future extending
> althouth there are only 2 modes currently. The schema can be defined in
> OpenDocument v1.1 Section 17.7.2 Manifest Root Element as following:
>
>
> <define name="manifest">
>
>  <element name="manifest:manifest">
>
>  <optional>
>
>  <attribute name="manifest:shortcut-open-mode" a:defaultValue="edit">
>
>  <choice>
>
>  <value>view</value>
>
>  <value>edit</value>
>
>  </choice>
>
>  </attribute>
>
>  </optional>
>
>  <oneOrMore>
>
>  <ref name="file-entry"/>
>
>  </oneOrMore>
>
>  </element>
>
> </define>
>
> The description can be: The attribute "manifest:shortcut-open-mode"
> specifies that applications will open the document directly from the
> operating system shell with "view" mode or "edit" mode by a shortcut way,
> e.g. double-click the document or select the document and press Enter key.
>
>
> Pls correct me if I understand wrongly. And now I have 2 questions:
>
> (1) Anyone can suggest other open mode besides "view" and "edit"?
>
> (2) I can not find the chapter "17 Packages" and the manifest definitions in
> OpenDocument v1.2 Draft 6. Does anyone know this is a literature missing or
> there has some big changes about packages since ODF 1.2?
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
>  Mingfei Jia(贾明飞)
>  IBM Lotus Symphony Development
>  IBM China Software Development LAB, Beijing
>  Tel: 86-10-82782244-2493 Fax: 86-10-62982924
>  NOTES:Ming Fei Jia/China/IBM E-mail: jiamingf@cn.ibm.com
>  Address: 4/F, DeShi Building No.9, East Road, ShangDi, Haidian District,
> Beijing 100085, PRC
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> Re: [office] auto-play presentation file format like PPS
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>  Ming Fei Jia
>  to:
>  Bob Jolliffe
>
> 2008-03-22 19:31
>
>
>
>  Cc:
>  office
>
>  ________________________________
>
>  Thanks Bob, we can define the schema in 2.2.3 Presentation Documents(ODF
> 1.2 draft 6).
>  The original definition is:
>
>  <define name="office-body-content" combine="choice">
>  <element name="office:presentation">
>  <ref name="office-presentation-attlist"/>
>  <ref name="office-presentation-content-prelude"/>
>  <ref name="office-presentation-content-main"/>
>  <ref name="office-presentation-content-epilogue"/>
>  </element>
>  </define>
>
>  <define name="office-presentation-attlist">
>  <empty/>
>  </define>
>
>  To support presentation auto-play choice, add the attribute
> "presentation:auto-play" to the element "office-presentation-attlist" as
> below:
>
>  <define name="office-presentation-attlist">
>  <optional>
>  <attribute name="presentation:auto-play" a:defaultValue="false">
>  <ref name="boolean"/>
>  </attribute>
>  </optional>
>  </define>
>
>  The description can be: The attribute "presentation:auto-play" specifies
> applications will open the presentation file directly from the operating
> system shell with auto-play slide mode or edit mode.
>
>  The "directly from the operating system shell" means this attribute only
> works for the scenarios like user double-click the file or select-enter the
> file from Explorer in Windows or other OS shell. The purpose of adding this
> restriction is for that applications can open the presentation file with
> "edit" mode by selecting "File->Open" menu explictly although the
> "presentation:auto-play" is true. Welcome anyone suggests a good description
> for this meaning.
>
>  Also, if the open mode number is more than 2 (play and edit), we can define
> a value set to choose in XML schema. Currently I don't know any other open
> mode.
>
>
>  Mingfei Jia(贾明飞)
>  IBM Lotus Symphony Development
>  IBM China Software Development LAB, Beijing
>  Tel: 86-10-82782244-2493 Fax: 86-10-62982924
>  NOTES:Ming Fei Jia/China/IBM E-mail: jiamingf@cn.ibm.com
>  Address: 4/F, DeShi Building No.9, East Road, ShangDi, Haidian District,
> Beijing 100085, PRC
>  Re: [office] auto-play presentation file format like PPS
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> Re: [office] auto-play presentation file format like PPS
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>  Bob Jolliffe
>  to:
>  office
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> 2008-03-17 21:36
>
>  Please respond to Bob Jolliffe <bobj@dst.gov.za>
>
>  ________________________________
>
>
>  I think Rob's suggestion of a flag in the XML ( along the lines of
> onOpen="Play"|"Edit" ) makes sense on this.
>
>  Regards
>  Bob
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: "robert weir" <robert_weir@us.ibm.com>
>  To: "Ming Fei Jia" <jiamingf@cn.ibm.com>
>  Cc: office@lists.oasis-open.org
>  Sent: 17 March 2008 03:15:56 PM
>  Subject: Re: [office] auto-play presentation file format like PPS
>
>
>  Hi Mingfei,
>
>  I think a PPS file is identical to a PPT file inside. The only difference
> is in the file extension. This tells the application to run PowerPoint
> directly in play mode rather than edit mode.
>
>  If we want to have the same behavior we could do this as a file extension,
> or as a boolean flag in the document.
>
>  Looking at Microsoft support notes like :
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/326736 it appears that their file extension
> approach has caused Microsoft some problems.
>
>  So I wonder if a flag in the XML would be a better solution?
>
>  -Rob
>
>
>
>  Ming Fei Jia <jiamingf@cn.ibm.com>
>
>  03/17/2008 05:47 AM
>  To office@lists.oasis-open.org
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>  cc
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>  Subject [office] auto-play presentation file format like PPS
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>  Dear TC members,
>
>  I can not find the definition in ODF 1.2 draft 6 about auto-play
> presentation file format,just like Microsoft PPS format. If we really have
> not defined it yet, I propose to define it in ODF 1.2 since the requirement
> of presentation auto-play is obvious for many users. We need to discuss the
> feasiblity and the solution in this loop. The contents can be:
>  (1) The extension name of auto-play presentation file format, e.g. ODPP or
> anything that makes sense;
>  (2) The auto-play presentation file wraps .odp file as an auto-play file
> when user double-click on the file;
>  (3) XML schema definition for the auto-play presentation file if any;
>  (4) Explanation for the implementation in vendor products.
>  ......
>
>  Welcome any comments!
>
>
>  Best Regards,
>
>  Mingfei Jia(贾明飞)
>  IBM Lotus Symphony Development
>  IBM China Software Development LAB, Beijing
>  Tel: 86-10-82782244-2493 Fax: 86-10-62982924
>  NOTES:Ming Fei Jia/China/IBM E-mail: jiamingf@cn.ibm.com
>  Address: 4/F, DeShi Building No.9, East Road, ShangDi, Haidian District,
> Beijing 100085, PRC
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