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Subject: Re: [office] auto-play presentation file format like PPS


Great!
BTW, the wording improvement can refer to the guideline just uploaded by patrick.
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/office/document.php?document_id=27948


Inactive hide details for "Warren Turkal" ---04/16/2008 06:02:03 AM---My thoughts were a little jumbled in the last message I s"Warren Turkal" ---04/16/2008 06:02:03 AM---My thoughts were a little jumbled in the last message I sent to this


From:

"Warren Turkal" <turkal@google.com>

To:

Ming Fei Jia/China/IBM@IBMCN

Cc:

office@lists.oasis-open.org

Date:

04/16/2008 06:02 AM

Subject:

Re: [office] auto-play presentation file format like PPS





My thoughts were a little jumbled in the last message I sent to this
thread. I should have separated the two issues.

1) The wording of the paragraph could be improved.
2) The "readonly" thing

For (2), I don't really have a strong enough feeling, so let's go with
a "readonly" view mode and be done with it.

For (1), I'm going to think about the wording and see if I can come up
with some concrete examples of improving the wording.

wt

2008/4/14 Ming Fei Jia <jiamingf@cn.ibm.com>:
>  The wording "readonly" is referred to the existed wording in ODF spec. For
> example, in ODF 1.2 draft 6, there are the following definitions:
>
>  common-readonly-attlist
>  form:readonly
>  11611 line definition
>  <define name="common-readonly-attlist">
>  <optional>
>  <attribute name="form:readonly" a:defaultValue="false">
>
>  <ref name="boolean"/>
>  </attribute>
>  </optional>
>  </define>
>
>  Also, I don't think how "readonly" is hard to read. Thanks.
>
>
>
>  Best Regards,
>
>  Mingfei Jia(贾明飞)
>  IBM Lotus Symphony Development
>  IBM China Software Development LAB, Beijing
>  Tel: 86-10-82782244-2493 Fax: 86-10-62982924
>  
NOTES:Ming Fei Jia/China/IBM E-mail: jiamingf@cn.ibm.com
>  Address: 4/F, DeShi Building No.9, East Road, ShangDi, Haidian District,
> Beijing 100085, PRC
>
>  "Warren Turkal" ---2008-04-14 22:33:38---I think the wording of the last
> paragraph needs to be improved. The
>
>
>
>  From:
>  "Warren Turkal" <turkal@google.com>
>
>  To:
>  Ming Fei Jia/China/IBM@IBMCN
>
>
>  Cc:
>  office@lists.oasis-open.org
>
>  Date:
>  2008-04-14 22:33
>
>
>  Subject:
>  Re: [office] auto-play presentation file format like PPS
> ________________________________
>
>
>
>
>
>  I think the wording of the last paragraph needs to be improved. The
>  schema looks pretty good. However, I think it might be a little better
>  to use "read-only" instead of "readonly" as one of the modes since
>  readonly is a little harder to read.
>
>  Thanks,
>  wt
>
>  On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 12:05 AM, Ming Fei Jia <jiamingf@cn.ibm.com> wrote:
>  >
>  >
>  > Dear TC members,
>  >
>  >  This is the update proposal((See attached file:
>  > preferred-view-mode-proposal.odt)) for this topic based on Open Document
>  > Format Specification v1.1. Hope you have a nice day:)
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >  Best Regards,
>  >
>  >  Mingfei Jia(贾明飞)
>  >  IBM Lotus Symphony Development
>  >  IBM China Software Development LAB, Beijing
>  >  Tel: 86-10-82782244-2493 Fax: 86-10-62982924
>  >  
NOTES:Ming Fei Jia/China/IBM E-mail: jiamingf@cn.ibm.com
>  >  Address: 4/F, DeShi Building No.9, East Road, ShangDi, Haidian District,
>  > Beijing 100085, PRC
>  >  Re: [office] auto-play presentation file format like PPS
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > Re: [office] auto-play presentation file format like PPS
>  >
>  >  Ming Fei Jia
>  >  to:
>  >  office
>  >
>  > 2008-04-08 14:59
>  >  ________________________________
>  >
>  >  Dear All,
>  >  According to the previous discussion, we can have another schema
> definition
>  > in the package layer([附件 "shortcut-open-mode-proposal.odt" 被 Ming Fei
>  > Jia/China/IBM 删除]yellow part is newly added). In this one, I put the
>  > shortcut-open-mode as an attribute of the manifest:file-entry, the
> advantage
>  > of this one is that the open mode is correlated with MIME type, but the
>  > disadvantage that I believe generally only the root file-entry needs this
>  > shortcut-open-mode attribute. For example,we can have a file entry
>  > description in the manifest file like this:
>  >
>  >
>  >  ......
>  >  <manifest:file-entry
>  >  manifest:media-type="application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.presentation"
>  >  manifest:full-path="/"
>  >  manifest:shortcut-open-mode = "view" //only this entry need the
> attribute
>  >
>  >  />
>  >  <manifest:file-entry
>  >  manifest:media-type="text/xml" manifest:full-path="content.xml"
>  >  manifest:size="3143">
>  >  </manifest:file-entry>
>  >  ......
>  >  We can choose between this definition and the previous one or anyting
> else.
>  > I prefer this one.
>  >
>  >  Best Regards,
>  >
>  >  Mingfei Jia(贾明飞)
>  >  IBM Lotus Symphony Development
>  >  IBM China Software Development LAB, Beijing
>  >  Tel: 86-10-82782244-2493 Fax: 86-10-62982924
>  >  
NOTES:Ming Fei Jia/China/IBM E-mail: jiamingf@cn.ibm.com
>  >  Address: 4/F, DeShi Building No.9, East Road, ShangDi, Haidian District,
>  > Beijing 100085, PRC
>  >  Re: [office] auto-play presentation file format like PPS
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > Re: [office] auto-play presentation file format like PPS
>  >
>  >  Ming Fei Jia
>  >  to:
>  >  office
>  >
>  > 2008-04-08 00:33
>  >  ________________________________
>  >
>  >  Dear TC member,
>  >
>  >  During a couple of weeks discussion, most of members prefer to define
> the
>  > open mode (view/edit) in package layer in order to adapt to multiple
>  > applications. Of course, different applications can have their own
>  > explanations for the view mode. For example, Presentation will explain
> the
>  > view mode as "auto-play" when double-click/Enter the document from OS
> shell.
>  > Word Processor and Spreadsheet may explain the view mode as a kind of
>  > read-only mode when double-click/Enter the document from OS shell. I
> prefer
>  > to use "shortcut-open-mode" to express this meaning since this open mode
> is
>  > restricted to the scenario of launching documents from OS shell directly
> by
>  > double-click or Enter key. Also I defined a mode set for future extending
>  > althouth there are only 2 modes currently. The schema can be defined in
>  > OpenDocument v1.1 Section 17.7.2 Manifest Root Element as following:
>  >
>  >
>  > <define name="manifest">
>  >
>  >  <element name="manifest:manifest">
>  >
>  >  <optional>
>  >
>  >  <attribute name="manifest:shortcut-open-mode" a:defaultValue="edit">
>  >
>  >  <choice>
>  >
>  >  <value>view</value>
>  >
>  >  <value>edit</value>
>  >
>  >  </choice>
>  >
>  >  </attribute>
>  >
>  >  </optional>
>  >
>  >  <oneOrMore>
>  >
>  >  <ref name="file-entry"/>
>  >
>  >  </oneOrMore>
>  >
>  >  </element>
>  >
>  > </define>
>  >
>  > The description can be: The attribute "manifest:shortcut-open-mode"
>  > specifies that applications will open the document directly from the
>  > operating system shell with "view" mode or "edit" mode by a shortcut way,
>  > e.g. double-click the document or select the document and press Enter
> key.
>  >
>  >
>  > Pls correct me if I understand wrongly. And now I have 2 questions:
>  >
>  > (1) Anyone can suggest other open mode besides "view" and "edit"?
>  >
>  > (2) I can not find the chapter "17 Packages" and the manifest definitions
> in
>  > OpenDocument v1.2 Draft 6. Does anyone know this is a literature missing
> or
>  > there has some big changes about packages since ODF 1.2?
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > Thanks.
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > Best Regards,
>  >
>  >  Mingfei Jia(贾明飞)
>  >  IBM Lotus Symphony Development
>  >  IBM China Software Development LAB, Beijing
>  >  Tel: 86-10-82782244-2493 Fax: 86-10-62982924
>  >  
NOTES:Ming Fei Jia/China/IBM E-mail: jiamingf@cn.ibm.com
>  >  Address: 4/F, DeShi Building No.9, East Road, ShangDi, Haidian District,
>  > Beijing 100085, PRC
>  >  Re: [office] auto-play presentation file format like PPS
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > Re: [office] auto-play presentation file format like PPS
>  >
>  >  Ming Fei Jia
>  >  to:
>  >  Bob Jolliffe
>  >
>  > 2008-03-22 19:31
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >  Cc:
>  >  office
>  >
>  >  ________________________________
>  >
>  >  Thanks Bob, we can define the schema in 2.2.3 Presentation Documents(ODF
>  > 1.2 draft 6).
>  >  The original definition is:
>  >
>  >  <define name="office-body-content" combine="choice">
>  >  <element name="office:presentation">
>  >  <ref name="office-presentation-attlist"/>
>  >  <ref name="office-presentation-content-prelude"/>
>  >  <ref name="office-presentation-content-main"/>
>  >  <ref name="office-presentation-content-epilogue"/>
>  >  </element>
>  >  </define>
>  >
>  >  <define name="office-presentation-attlist">
>  >  <empty/>
>  >  </define>
>  >
>  >  To support presentation auto-play choice, add the attribute
>  > "presentation:auto-play" to the element "office-presentation-attlist" as
>  > below:
>  >
>  >  <define name="office-presentation-attlist">
>  >  <optional>
>  >  <attribute name="presentation:auto-play" a:defaultValue="false">
>  >  <ref name="boolean"/>
>  >  </attribute>
>  >  </optional>
>  >  </define>
>  >
>  >  The description can be: The attribute "presentation:auto-play" specifies
>  > applications will open the presentation file directly from the operating
>  > system shell with auto-play slide mode or edit mode.
>  >
>  >  The "directly from the operating system shell" means this attribute only
>  > works for the scenarios like user double-click the file or select-enter
> the
>  > file from Explorer in Windows or other OS shell. The purpose of adding
> this
>  > restriction is for that applications can open the presentation file with
>  > "edit" mode by selecting "File->Open" menu explictly although the
>  > "presentation:auto-play" is true. Welcome anyone suggests a good
> description
>  > for this meaning.
>  >
>  >  Also, if the open mode number is more than 2 (play and edit), we can
> define
>  > a value set to choose in XML schema. Currently I don't know any other
> open
>  > mode.
>  >
>  >
>  >  Mingfei Jia(贾明飞)
>  >  IBM Lotus Symphony Development
>  >  IBM China Software Development LAB, Beijing
>  >  Tel: 86-10-82782244-2493 Fax: 86-10-62982924
>  >  
NOTES:Ming Fei Jia/China/IBM E-mail: jiamingf@cn.ibm.com
>  >  Address: 4/F, DeShi Building No.9, East Road, ShangDi, Haidian District,
>  > Beijing 100085, PRC
>  >  Re: [office] auto-play presentation file format like PPS
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > Re: [office] auto-play presentation file format like PPS
>  >
>  >  Bob Jolliffe
>  >  to:
>  >  office
>  >
>  > 2008-03-17 21:36
>  >
>  >  Please respond to Bob Jolliffe <bobj@dst.gov.za>
>  >
>  >  ________________________________
>  >
>  >
>  >  I think Rob's suggestion of a flag in the XML ( along the lines of
>  > onOpen="Play"|"Edit" ) makes sense on this.
>  >
>  >  Regards
>  >  Bob
>  >
>  >  ----- Original Message -----
>  >  From: "robert weir" <robert_weir@us.ibm.com>
>  >  To: "Ming Fei Jia" <jiamingf@cn.ibm.com>
>  >  Cc: office@lists.oasis-open.org
>  >  Sent: 17 March 2008 03:15:56 PM
>  >  Subject: Re: [office] auto-play presentation file format like PPS
>  >
>  >
>  >  Hi Mingfei,
>  >
>  >  I think a PPS file is identical to a PPT file inside. The only
> difference
>  > is in the file extension. This tells the application to run PowerPoint
>  > directly in play mode rather than edit mode.
>  >
>  >  If we want to have the same behavior we could do this as a file
> extension,
>  > or as a boolean flag in the document.
>  >
>  >  Looking at Microsoft support notes like :
>  >
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/326736 it appears that their file
> extension
>  > approach has caused Microsoft some problems.
>  >
>  >  So I wonder if a flag in the XML would be a better solution?
>  >
>  >  -Rob
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >  Ming Fei Jia <jiamingf@cn.ibm.com>
>  >
>  >  03/17/2008 05:47 AM
>  >  To office@lists.oasis-open.org
>  >
>  >  cc
>  >
>  >  Subject [office] auto-play presentation file format like PPS
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >  Dear TC members,
>  >
>  >  I can not find the definition in ODF 1.2 draft 6 about auto-play
>  > presentation file format,just like Microsoft PPS format. If we really
> have
>  > not defined it yet, I propose to define it in ODF 1.2 since the
> requirement
>  > of presentation auto-play is obvious for many users. We need to discuss
> the
>  > feasiblity and the solution in this loop. The contents can be:
>  >  (1) The extension name of auto-play presentation file format, e.g. ODPP
> or
>  > anything that makes sense;
>  >  (2) The auto-play presentation file wraps .odp file as an auto-play file
>  > when user double-click on the file;
>  >  (3) XML schema definition for the auto-play presentation file if any;
>  >  (4) Explanation for the implementation in vendor products.
>  >  ......
>  >
>  >  Welcome any comments!
>  >
>  >
>  >  Best Regards,
>  >
>  >  Mingfei Jia(贾明飞)
>  >  IBM Lotus Symphony Development
>  >  IBM China Software Development LAB, Beijing
>  >  Tel: 86-10-82782244-2493 Fax: 86-10-62982924
>  >  
NOTES:Ming Fei Jia/China/IBM E-mail: jiamingf@cn.ibm.com
>  >  Address: 4/F, DeShi Building No.9, East Road, ShangDi, Haidian District,
>  > Beijing 100085, PRC
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