Re: [office] auto-play presentation file format like PPS

[Ming Fei Jia <jiamingf@cn.ibm.com>]

Thanks Warren,

Pls see my comments marked by the tag <jmf> in your comments. This is the update proposal(See attached file: preferred-view-mode-proposal.odt).

Best Regards,

Mingfei Jia(贾明飞)
IBM Lotus Symphony Development
IBM China Software Development LAB, Beijing
Tel: 86-10-82782244-2493 Fax: 86-10-62982924
NOTES:Ming Fei Jia/China/IBM E-mail: jiamingf@cn.ibm.com
Address: 4/F, DeShi Building No.9, East Road, ShangDi, Haidian District, Beijing 100085, PRC
Re: [office] auto-play presentation file format like PPS

Re: [office] auto-play presentation file format like PPS

Warren Turkal

to:

Ming Fei Jia

2008-04-19 01:01

Cc:

office

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Sorry, Ming. I just realized that I only sent my comments to you.
Here's the combined version.

You were right, I was using a prior version of the document. Here's
comments on this version.

Change "play" to "auto-play" since I think that "auto-play" is more
indicative of what's going on.
<jmf>
Originally I also used "auto-play", later I was aware that "auto" means something is triggered by some events, and in the scenario of opening presentation document, this event might just be "double-click" or "select/enter". But since we all agreed to remove the description of "shortcut launch the application from OS" because it is implementation specific, "auto" is not necessary to keep again, and what we emphasize is the preferred "view" mode. From this aspect, "auto-play" has the meaning of "event"+"mode", and "play" is a pure mode. On the other hand, from general understanding, "play" expresses what we want(preferred view mode) and will not bring confusion either. So I would like to keep "play" instead of "auto-play".
BTW, I have to clarify what the actual meaning of removing the description about "shortcut launch the applicaiton from OS". Actually, it means the author of the document prefer some view mode whatever user open the document from OS shell directly by double-click the document or open the document by application explict entry (e.g. file->open). MS Powerpoint differs the above 2 scenarios, but MS Excel only has one universal scenario. I also think keeping one scenario is more reasonable although it is a little from my initial idea.
</jmf>

Rather than saying, "The default is 'edit'", I would say that the
default should be application specific. The "edit" default makes a lot
of sense for OO.o or Koffice, but logically speaking an ODF ebook
reader like app would default to read-only. I think that it's clearly
app specific. Having said that, there's no reason that we cannot
recommend certain defaults for certain types of apps.
<jmf>
I understand the purpose of default value is that when there is no explict definition for an attribute in the document, what value the application would adopt. Since mose of ODF based products, e.g. OO.o, KOffice, Symphony have no definition for the "preferred-view-mode" till now, and apparently they open the existed documents by "edit" mode currently, so in order to make sure backward compatibility with those old ODF documents which have no "preferred-view-mode", we have to set the default value as "edit" mode. "recommend certain defaults for certain types of apps" may be a good idea,we can discuss it in another proposal if possible.
</jmf>
You only have 3 modes defined. It should be those 3 modes or anything
else. We should provide prose descriptions of those 3 modes that we
define while allowing anyone else to come up with modes that might be
useful to them. In future versions of the standard, we should look to
see if we need to add other modes.

Speaking of "Internet media type", we need to decide whether we are
going to use that terminology in the rest of the document. The
"Internet media type" is the modernized name for a MIME type.
<jmf>
To consider the document consistence, I changed "Internet media type" to "MIME type" again. If you are right that "Internet media type" is more appropriate name than "MIME type", we can give another proposal to replace all the occurrances of "MIME type" with "Internet media type". Here we have to keep "MIME type" to be wording consistent.
BTW, I found the URL " http://www.isi.edu/in-notes/iana/assignments/media-types/media-types" in the ODF 1.1 may have extraneous "/media-types" since I can open that link only remove the second "media-types".
</jmf>
In light of the previous comments, please make the following schema changes:
* take out the defaultvalue for the preferred-view-mode attribute
* add the ability to put arbitrary text in addition to the modes that
we define in the standard
<jmf>
I agree with you to give a means to put a placeholder there in order to extend the view mode in the future. But it seems Relax-NG has no such expressions. Also I think if there is some preferred view mode in the further, we can just add it to the choice values and give the corresponding description. That'll be OK.
</jmf>
wt

On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 7:33 AM, Ming Fei Jia <jiamingf@cn.ibm.com> wrote:
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>
> Dear TC members,
>
>  According to Warren's suggestions for wording improvements, I merge to the
> proposal. This is the update one:
>  (See attached file: preferred-view-mode-proposal.odt). Thanks all.
>
>
>
>  Best Regards,
>
>  Mingfei Jia(贾明飞)
>  IBM Lotus Symphony Development
>  IBM China Software Development LAB, Beijing
>  Tel: 86-10-82782244-2493 Fax: 86-10-62982924
>  NOTES:Ming Fei Jia/China/IBM E-mail: jiamingf@cn.ibm.com
>  Address: 4/F, DeShi Building No.9, East Road, ShangDi, Haidian District,
> Beijing 100085, PRC
>  Re: [office] auto-play presentation file format like PPS
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> Re: [office] auto-play presentation file format like PPS
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>  Ming Fei Jia
>  to:
>  Warren Turkal
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> 2008-04-18 12:51
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>
>  Cc:
>  office
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>  ________________________________
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>  Warren,
>
>  Thanks, but maybe you took a wrong version for the proposal. The one I last
> updated in another mail is this:
>  [附件 "preferred-view-mode-proposal.odt" 被 Ming Fei Jia/China/IBM 删除]. We all
> agreed to change the attribute name to "preferred-view-mode", not
> "shortcut-open-mode",see the schema you mentioned below.
>
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>
>  Anyway, I understand your wording suggestions, thanks. I'll merge it and
> give an update that hopefully is final one.
>
>  Best Regards,
>
>  Mingfei Jia(贾明飞)
>  IBM Lotus Symphony Development
>  IBM China Software Development LAB, Beijing
>  Tel: 86-10-82782244-2493 Fax: 86-10-62982924
>  NOTES:Ming Fei Jia/China/IBM E-mail: jiamingf@cn.ibm.com
>  Address: 4/F, DeShi Building No.9, East Road, ShangDi, Haidian District,
> Beijing 100085, PRC
>  Re: [office] auto-play presentation file format like PPS
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> Re: [office] auto-play presentation file format like PPS
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>  Warren Turkal
>  to:
>  Ming Fei Jia
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> 2008-04-18 01:49
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>
>
>  Cc:
>  office
>
>  ________________________________
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>  Try changing the last paragraph to:
>
>  The manifest:preferred-view-mode attribute is meant to provide a
>  preference on how the author of the document would like the document
>  to be presented. Not all "view" modes are applicable to all document
>  Internet media types (e.g. "auto-play" might only be meaningful in a
>  presentation document).
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>  This change to the paragraph does not mention the OS launcher or
>  anything of the sort because that is all an implementation detail.
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>  The schema should be changed to the following:
>
>  <define name="file-entry-attlist" combine="interleave">
>  <optional>
>  <attribute name="manifest:shortcut-open-mode" a:defaultValue="edit">
>  <choice>
>  <value>read-only</value>
>  <value>edit</value>
>  <!-- I am not that familiar with RelaxNG. How would I represent
>  something that means any text string as a possibility? -->
>  </choice>
>  </attribute>
>  </optional>
>  </define>
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>  2008/4/17 Ming Fei Jia <jiamingf@cn.ibm.com>:
>  >
>  >
>  > Warren,
>  >
>  >  Still any comments? Thanks.
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preferred-view-mode-proposal.odt