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Subject: Re: [office] ODF 1.2 draft 7 - table chapter
Rob, robert_weir@us.ibm.com wrote: > It certainly looks impressive, but it this collection of references really > valid in an IS? > > Yes, references are valid in an IS. Your question concerns the adequacy of *these* references. The original question was what references were cited in ISO 29500? I answered that question. I agree these are facially insufficient, which leaves us with the problem of either defining these calendars or properly defining the references. That is if interoperability of calendaring information is of interest. Simply listing tokens without more is facially insufficient. Hope you are having a great day! Patrick > For example, many of the references are not to specific publications. What > how do we use "The Complete Restatement of Oral Law (Mishneh Torah)"? > Which edition? Whose translation? I thought normative references had to > be in an official ISO language (English, French or Russian). This is > really a reference to a potentially large class of variant editions which > may follow different traditions, correct for different sets of scribal > errors (the original text goes back to the 12th Century), etc. > > Also, this is a reference to a 28 volume set of Jewish law. To give no > more specific reference than the title is ridiculous. > > So, IMHO, the references in OOXML are fun to read and amusing bits of > cultural trivia, they are of zero help to implementors. That should be > the key clue that they are not good normative references, that they are in > practice merely eye candy and not useable by implementors. > > -Rob > > Patrick Durusau <patrick@durusau.net> wrote on 10/30/2008 01:51:56 PM: > > > >> Eike, >> >> Just quickly but looking at ST_CalendarType (Calendar Types) in ISO/IEC >> 29500 I see: >> >> gregorian (Gregorian) Specifies that the Gregorian calendar, as defined >> in ISO >> 8601, shall be used. This calendar should be localized >> into the appropriate language. >> >> gregorianArabic (Gregorian Arabic Calendar) Specifies that the Gregorian >> > > >> calendar, as defined in ISO >> 8601, shall be used. >> The values for this calendar should be presented in >> Arabic. >> >> gregorianMeFrench (Gregorian Middle East French >> Calendar) >> Specifies that the Gregorian calendar, as defined in ISO >> 8601, shall be used. >> The values for this calendar should be presented in >> Middle East French. >> >> gregorianUs (Gregorian English Calendar) Specifies that the Gregorian >> calendar, as defined in ISO >> 8601, shall be used. >> The values for this calendar should be presented in >> English. >> >> gregorianXlitEnglish (Gregorian Transliterated >> English) >> Specifies that the Gregorian calendar, as defined in ISO >> 8601, shall be used. >> The values for this calendar should be the >> representation of the English strings in the >> corresponding Arabic characters (the Arabic >> transliteration of the English for the Gregorian >> calendar). >> >> gregorianXlitFrench (Gregorian Transliterated >> French) >> Specifies that the Gregorian calendar, as defined in ISO >> 8601, shall be used. >> The values for this calendar should be the >> representation of the French strings in the >> corresponding Arabic characters (the Arabic >> transliteration of the French for the Gregorian >> calendar). >> >> hebrew (Hebrew) Specifies that the Hebrew lunar calendar, as described >> by the Gauss formula for Passover [CITATION] and The >> Complete Restatement of Oral Law (Mishneh Torah), >> shall be used. >> >> hijri (Hijri) Specifies that the Hijri lunar calendar, as described by >> the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, Ministry of Islamic >> Affairs, Endowments, Da?wah and Guidance, shall be >> used. >> >> japan (Japanese Emperor Era) Specifies that the Japanese Emperor Era >> calendar, as >> described by Japanese Industrial Standard JIS X 0301, >> shall be used. >> >> korea (Korean Tangun Era) Specifies that the Korean Tangun Era calendar, >> > as > >> described by Korean Law Enactment No. 4, shall be >> used. >> >> none (No Calendar Type) Specifies that no calendar should be used. >> >> saka (Saka Era) Specifies that the Saka Era calendar, as described by >> the Calendar Reform Committee of India, as part of >> the Indian Ephemeris and Nautical Almanac, shall be >> used. >> >> taiwan (Taiwan) Specifies that the Taiwanese calendar, as defined by >> the Chinese National Standard CNS 7648, shall be >> used. >> >> thai (Thai) Specifies that the Thai calendar, as defined by the >> Royal Decree of H.M. King Vajiravudh (Rama VI) in >> Royal Gazette B. E. 2456 (1913 A.D.) and by the decree >> of Prime Minister Phibunsongkhram (1941 A.D.) to >> start the year on the Gregorian January 1 and to map >> year zero to Gregorian year 543 B.C., shall be used. >> >> Apologies for the formatting but I don't (yet) have a useful copy of ISO >> > > >> 29500. >> >> Does that help? >> >> I will probably have comments and notes in the next version if not >> > sooner. > >> Hope you are having a great day! >> >> Patrick >> >> PS: Which raises the interesting issue of what we should do if we find >> one or more of these definitions sufficient? Should we simply cite the >> existing definition? Or for that matter, do we really need to re-define >> Add? Seems like one definition may be enough. Assuming they are >> semantically equivalent. May not be so I am not making a claim that they >> > > >> are. But I do think we need to look to see. >> >> >> Eike Rathke wrote: >> >>> Hi Patrick, >>> >>> On Friday, 2008-10-24 13:28:39 +0200, Michael Brauer wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Niklas' has reviewed the table chapter and related attributes. He has >>>> > > >>>> added his suggestions/comments directly to a draft with change >>>> > tracking > >>>> enabled. It is attached. >>>> >>>> >>> If you need further information on number style elements and >>> > attributes > >>> we additionally discussed during your visit to Hamburg, please ask me >>> > if > >>> there's anything left to be clarified. >>> >>> Btw, regarding definitions of various calendars it seems to be hard to >>> find normative references for any of them. You mentioned that ISO has >>> a standard about the Gregorian calendar, I found only ISO 8601 that >>> seems to specify that it is the calendar as specified by Pope Gregory >>> XIII in 1582, and a few dates as reference points such as the metric >>> convention being signed on 1875-05-20 and 2000-01-01 being Saturday >>> > are > >>> defined. Is that what you were referring, or is there something else? >>> I don't have a copy of the full standard at hand. >>> >>> Eike >>> >>> >>> >> -- >> Patrick Durusau >> patrick@durusau.net >> Chair, V1 - US TAG to JTC 1/SC 34 >> Convener, JTC 1/SC 34/WG 3 (Topic Maps) >> Editor, OpenDocument Format TC (OASIS), Project Editor ISO/IEC 26300 >> Co-Editor, ISO/IEC 13250-1, 13250-5 (Topic Maps) >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that >> generates this mail. 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