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Subject: Re: [office] Metadata Fields
hi Patrick, On 14/04/2009 14:07, Patrick Durusau wrote: > Michael, > > Michael Stahl wrote: >> hi Patrick, >> >> On 14/04/2009 02:36, Patrick Durusau wrote: >>> Greetings! >>> >>> A new issue that I had not previously noted. >>> >>> 6.5.1 – 6.5.19, inclusive. All the text in these sections refer to a >>> “document.” However, note that all these elements are children of >>> |<text:a>| 5.1.4, |<text:h>| 4.1.1, |<text:meta>| 5.1.5, >>> |<text:meta-field>| 6.5.19, |<text:p>| 4.1.2, |<text:ruby-base>| >>> 5.4.1 and |<text:span>| 5.1.3 elements. None of which represent >>> documents. >> >> Yes, these field elements refer to the document that is being edited. >> Specifically, their contents come from the similarly-named elements >> in "meta.xml". > Well, but the problem is that we don't make that relationship explicit. ah, ok, that is indeed a problem. > After reading your response I found the following language from ODF 1.1 > (Section 6.4): > >> Metadata fields display meta information about the document, such as, >> the document creation date or the time at which the document was last >> printed. The names of the metadata field elements correspond to the >> metadata elements described in Chapter 3. > Saying that the names of field elements "correspond" to metadata > elements described in another location seems inadequate to specify the > relationship you suggest. > > For example, instead of: > >> <text:initial-creator> This element represents the name of the author >> who created the original document. > One expects: > > ***** > > The <text:initial-creator> element represents a field displays the name > of the author who created the original document as specified by the > <meta:initial-creator> element. <ref> > > ***** > > The problem is that we didn't say the second one but it was understood > by some who read the standard. Although all standards do it imperfectly, > the goal is to have one *common* reading of the standard. Implied > relationships based upon similarity of names doesn't further than goal. yes, that is definitely an improvement. > However, > > Does anyone disagree with Michael Stahl evaluation of this issue? > > If not, I will be reforming the prose in the sections I mentioned to > make the relationships between fields and <meta:*> elements explicit, > largely along the lines you see above. > > Hope you are having a great day! > > Patrick regards, michael PS: i've discussed the plethora of author fields with Oliver Specht, and we found out that <text:author-name> and <text:author-initials> are somewhat redundant. in the OOo Writer implementation, <text:author-initials> is exactly the same as <text:sender-initials>, and <text:author-name> corresponds to <text:sender-firstname> followed by <text:sender-lastname>. -- Michael Stahl mailto:michael.stahl@sun.com http://www.sun.de OpenOffice.org/StarOffice Writer Sun Microsystems GmbH Nagelsweg 55, 20097 Hamburg, Germany ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Sitz der Gesellschaft: Sun Microsystems GmbH, Sonnenallee 1, D-85551 Kirchheim-Heimstetten Amtsgericht Muenchen: HRB 161028 Geschaeftsfuehrer: Thomas Schroeder, Wolfgang Engels, Dr. Roland Boemer Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrates: Martin Haering
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