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Subject: Re: [office] Re: [odf-adoption] ODF Next Workshop (plus) for fall2011 Netherlands
Charles, On 5/18/2011 12:33 PM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: > Hello Louis, > > I'm afraid your proposal conflicts with the LibreOffice conference as I > had had the opportunity to point out many times already. Please choose > another date which won't be in September, October or November . > I am curious how any time in a three month period would conflict with the LibreOffice conference? Besides, I understood Louis to be starting a discussion, not asking for an up or down vote on his proposal. I was thinking the idea generally is to gather broader input from the user community and developers who might not be members of the ODF TC. To inform the development of ODF-Next. That is what features are of the most interest to users and at the same time likely to be developed by implementers. (The ability to print money being desired by users but probably not practical to implement won't be an ODF-Next goal. ;-) ) I think having more than one, say 1/2 day, very short, say 10 minute presentations on requested features with longer papers submitted with say 10 minutes for open discussion of each request, would be very informative. (NOTE: No voting on features, just discussion. The ODF TC decides what features it will pursue and does that by the OASIS process.) There could be more than one such meeting and it would not be terribly amiss to have one every year or even 6 months. I know that vendors gather user requests/features/requirements but I don't know of any that do so by public forums. Could be a PR/selling point for ODF adoption and use. Of course, that would mean that the ODF TC would have to be responsive to the needs voiced and document that responsiveness. Overall I think Louis' idea is a very good one even though we all have our tweaks and changes we would like to discuss. Hope everyone is having a great day! Patrick > Thank you, > > Charles. > > > Le Wed, 18 May 2011 10:14:45 -0400, > Louis Suárez-Potts<luispo@gmail.com> a écrit : > >> During the ODF TC call today, Steve Pemberton proposed a workshop on >> ODF Next for this fall, to be held in Amsterdam and for a more >> general audience. He volunteered to help organize it. >> >> ** Conference call this week: If possible, let's have a conference >> call later this week to discuss the proposals below. >> >> WHEN: THURSDAY, 15:00 UTC >> >> Or. so. My reason for sooner than later has to do with the need to >> plan the event—surely more than Steve envisioned!—and to act >> initially, at least, before the US Memorial Day holiday at the end of >> May. >> >> >> **Proposal** >> >> Steve's proposal was met with considerable interest and zero >> disapproval. It was proposed further that the relevant ODF TCs >> (Adoption, in particular) be enmeshed in discussions on this—as well, >> to bring in Michiel and Arthur, also of the Netherlands. Michiel had >> previously indicated that his group was organizing a plugfest for >> late October. >> >> I would like to propose a conference call to plan this event. The >> issues are: >> >> * Exactly when? There are a few issues, such as the LibreOffice >> meeting, in Paris, that will have a section focused on ODF. When we >> previously proposed an ODF 5th anniversary conference—also to work >> with Michiel's plugfest—LibreOffice objected, as the timing, >> LibreOffice believed, would distract from their event. However, it >> was also argued that it's better to have an ODF event that is not >> branded at all by one vendor or project but utterly neutral, and the >> Netherlands plugfest, and now workshop proposal, satisfies that >> desire. >> >> I would thus propose this, if possible, for sometime in mid-September >> or even a little later (OpenWorld Forum, a popular event also in >> Paris, is 22-24 September.) >> >> * Audience? Steve suggested both technical and not, and I would >> agree. I think we need to achieve a couple of things, besides the >> important one of working on ODF Next: persuading non-developers that >> there is and will continue to be a relevance to ODF, and that it is >> something to which they ought to contribute resources, as well as >> attention. >> >> * Duration? I would suggest three days. One day for technical >> workshops (or 1.5 days, perhaps); the remainder for more general >> discussions on ODF Next, implementations (absolutely unprejudiced >> representation of vendor's wares), and related technologies and >> opportunities gained by using ODF. >> >> * Processes: Patrick D. suggested formalizing the process of paper >> submission Oasis-wide, and it would affect (positively) this event. >> We are considering, I believe, inviting submissions and participation >> from non-Oasis members as well as members. >> >> * Funding: I think we may have the opportunity of working with >> established corporate sponsors and supporters of ODF, but also with >> the national government and even, plausibly, with EU gov't. >> >> I would also like to see if can invite more than Oasis members to the >> planning of this, and that means Basil's UK group, as well as others. >> (They may use plugtest organizers list.) >> >> >> I'm sure I've a) forgotten to include key persons and b) key data; >> please don't hesitate to fill in the lacunae. >> >> -louis >> >> >> >> >> ---- >> >> Louis Suarez-Potts, PhD >> Community Manager >> Chair, Community Council >> OpenOffice.org >> >> Time Zone, −0400 UTC >> +1.416.531.9513 (landline) >> +1.416.625.3843 (mobile) >> >> AIM: luispo@mac.com >> GTalk: luispo@gmail.com >> Skype: louisiam >> Jabber: luispo@jabber.org >> Blog: http://ooo-speak.blogspot.com/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that >> generates this mail. 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