Re: [office] Continued Lists

[robert_weir@us.ibm.com]

Right.   No need for a presentation.
 Maybe just 5 minutes to discuss the status of the proposal, next
steps, etc.  I just want to make sure it is on our radar and that
we have a few minutes if anyone has questions.

-Rob


<office@lists.oasis-open.org> wrote on 03/23/2012
05:11:03 AM:

> From: Oliver-Rainer Wittmann <ORWITT@de.ibm.com>
> To: office@lists.oasis-open.org, 
> Date: 03/23/2012 05:11 AM
> Subject: Re: [office] Continued Lists
> Sent by: <office@lists.oasis-open.org>
> 
> Hi,
> 
> if there is demand for it, I will be prepared for it.
> I except that there are further questions which want to be answered.
> I assume that there is no need to give a presentation about the
> corresponding proposal.
> Right?
> 
> Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best regards
> Oliver-Rainer Wittmann
> 
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> From:   robert_weir@us.ibm.com
> To:   Oliver-Rainer Wittmann/Germany/IBM@IBMDE
> Cc:   office@lists.oasis-open.org
> Date:   21.03.2012 03:20
> Subject:   Re: [office] Continued Lists
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> 
> 
> 
> Hi Oliver,   if I put this on the agenda for next week can you
talk about
> this?  We can discuss for maybe 15 minutes?
> 
> -Rob
> 
> <office@lists.oasis-open.org> wrote on 03/16/2012 07:22:26 AM:
> 
> > From: Oliver-Rainer Wittmann <ORWITT@de.ibm.com>
> > To: office@lists.oasis-open.org,
> > Date: 03/16/2012 07:23 AM
> > Subject: Re: [office] Continued Lists
> > Sent by: <office@lists.oasis-open.org>
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > sorry for the late response and that I did not fullfill my promise
- the
> > last days were quite busy.
> >
> > May be you should have a look at the proposal text which brought
> attribute
> > text:continue-list into ODF 1.2 [1]
> > Here is a quote from this proposal text regarding attribute
> > text:continue-list:
> > <quote>
> > The purpose of these new attributes is to continue the numbering
of an
> > arbitrary preceding list regardless of the applied list styles.
It also
> > ensures that lists in <text:numbered-paragraph> representation
can also
> > better be modeled in the <text:list> representation.
> > These new attributes should be optional and are only valid for
top-level
> > <text:list> elements. It should be used in favor of the
existing
> > text:continue-numbering attribute that has the limitations described
> below.
> > </quote>
> >
> > What is missing in the specification is that text:continue-list
is only
> > valid for top-level <text:list> elements. This was in the
proposal text,
> > but somehow got lost.
> >
> > What is also missing is that the attribute text:continue-list
shall only
> > refer a top-level <text:list> element. The proposed attribute
text:id was
> > replace by xml:id, but somehow the previously mentioned wording
got lost.
> >
> > Thus, this attribute shall only connect to top-level <text:list>
elements
> > together in order to form more or less one list. With is esp.
used, when
> a
> > list is spread through certain table cells.
> >
> > Another important reason for this attribute and the corresponding
xml:id
> > was to clarify the transformation between the alternative approaches
to
> > represent lists in ODF - <text:list> together with <text:list-item>
vs.
> > <text:numbered-paragraph>
> >
> > For <text:numbered-paragraph> mandatory attribute <text:list-id>
has been
> > proposed and integrated into ODF 1.2.
> >
> >
> > [1]
> > http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/23418/07-04-05-
> > proposal-lists.odt
> >  found on proposal list in our wiki [2]
> > [2] http://wiki.oasis-open.org/office/List_of_Proposals
> >
> >
> > Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best regards
> > Oliver-Rainer Wittmann
> >
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> >
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> >
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des
> > Aufsichtsrats: Martina Koederitz
> > Geschäftsführung: Dirk Wittkopp
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> > HRB 243294
> >
> >
> >
> > From:   Svante Schubert <svante.schubert@gmail.com>
> > To:   office@lists.oasis-open.org
> > Date:   29.02.2012 14:47
> > Subject:   [office] Continued Lists
> > Sent by:   <office@lists.oasis-open.org>
> >
> >
> >
> > I got a question in regard of the @text:continue-list attribute:
> > http://docs.oasis-open.org/office/v1.2/os/OpenDocument-v1.2-os-
> > part1.html#attribute-text_continue-list
> >
> >
> > It is obvious that this attribute connects two (or more) lists
elements
> > within a document, where the following list has the @text:continue-list
> > attribute referencing to the previous list.
> > From my understanding those lists are not equal to one list,
which embeds
> > all the in between content, because:
> >    1.   The ODF 1.2 schema only allows paragraphs,
headings, soft-page
> breaks
> >       and (nested) lists within a list. The in
between content may be
> >       arbitrary.
> >    2.   The usual indent of list content is likely
not to apply to the in
> >       between content (unspecified - what is the
user expectation?)
> >
> >
> > What puzzles me, is the spec is not precise in regard of
> >    1.   @text:continue-list only allowing an xml:id
of a list, that has
> the
> >       same nested/indent level as the referenced
list
> >    2.   What happens if one of both list's list
item are
> increased/decreased
> >       in list level?
> >
> >
> > Can someone remember the use case for this feature and/or reference
to
> the
> > discussion?
> > Does this feature exists as well in other formats?
> >
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Svante
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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