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Subject: Re: [office] Continued Lists
Hi, I have to admit that I can not fullfill my promise to work on this task this week. I am too busy with other stuff - help to get out the first release of Apache OpenOffice (incubating). I assume that I will have time next week - sorry. Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best regards Oliver-Rainer Wittmann -- Advisory Software Engineer ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- IBM Deutschland Beim Strohhause 17 20097 Hamburg Phone: +49-40-6389-1415 E-Mail: orwitt@de.ibm.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- IBM Deutschland Research & Development GmbH / Vorsitzende des Aufsichtsrats: Martina Koederitz Geschäftsführung: Dirk Wittkopp Sitz der Gesellschaft: Böblingen / Registergericht: Amtsgericht Stuttgart, HRB 243294 From: Oliver-Rainer Wittmann/Germany/IBM@IBMDE To: office@lists.oasis-open.org Date: 23.03.2012 16:31 Subject: Re: [office] Continued Lists Sent by: <office@lists.oasis-open.org> Hi, ok. I agree that it would make sense to figure out in advance what parts did not make it into the spec before we start a deeper discussion in our TC call. Thus, I propose the following: - submit an JIRA issue in order to get the missing parts into the next spec. and the next errata. - complete this JIRA issue until Friday next week with a corresponding proposal about the proposed change to the spec. resp. the proposed text for the errata. - discuss this JIRA issue in the following TC call. Any objections? I propose to decide on this proposal in our next TC call. Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best regards Oliver-Rainer Wittmann -- Advisory Software Engineer ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- IBM Deutschland Beim Strohhause 17 20097 Hamburg Phone: +49-40-6389-1415 E-Mail: orwitt@de.ibm.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- IBM Deutschland Research & Development GmbH / Vorsitzende des Aufsichtsrats: Martina Koederitz Geschäftsführung: Dirk Wittkopp Sitz der Gesellschaft: Böblingen / Registergericht: Amtsgericht Stuttgart, HRB 243294 From: Svante Schubert <svante.schubert@gmail.com> To: Oliver-Rainer Wittmann/Germany/IBM@IBMDE Cc: office@lists.oasis-open.org Date: 23.03.2012 10:24 Subject: Re: [office] Continued Lists Sent by: <office@lists.oasis-open.org> Hi, as I raised the initial question, allow me to reply on this. From my side there is no need for a presentation, instead we might want to make the information exchange as short and efficient as possible. Do be able to do so, it would be helpful, if you could create a JIRA issue in advance - clarifying the diff between proposal and spec, checking if further parts did not make it into the spec - so TC members are able to see at one glance, what have to be fixed in an upcoming errata. Thanks, Svante On 23.03.2012 10:11, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote: > Hi, > > if there is demand for it, I will be prepared for it. > I except that there are further questions which want to be answered. > I assume that there is no need to give a presentation about the > corresponding proposal. > Right? > > Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best regards > Oliver-Rainer Wittmann > > -- > Advisory Software Engineer > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > IBM Deutschland > Beim Strohhause 17 > 20097 Hamburg > Phone: +49-40-6389-1415 > E-Mail: orwitt@de.ibm.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > IBM Deutschland Research & Development GmbH / Vorsitzende des > Aufsichtsrats: Martina Koederitz > Geschäftsführung: Dirk Wittkopp > Sitz der Gesellschaft: Böblingen / Registergericht: Amtsgericht Stuttgart, > HRB 243294 > > > > From: robert_weir@us.ibm.com > To: Oliver-Rainer Wittmann/Germany/IBM@IBMDE > Cc: office@lists.oasis-open.org > Date: 21.03.2012 03:20 > Subject: Re: [office] Continued Lists > Sent by: <office@lists.oasis-open.org> > > > > Hi Oliver, if I put this on the agenda for next week can you talk about > this? We can discuss for maybe 15 minutes? > > -Rob > > <office@lists.oasis-open.org> wrote on 03/16/2012 07:22:26 AM: > >> From: Oliver-Rainer Wittmann <ORWITT@de.ibm.com> >> To: office@lists.oasis-open.org, >> Date: 03/16/2012 07:23 AM >> Subject: Re: [office] Continued Lists >> Sent by: <office@lists.oasis-open.org> >> >> Hi, >> >> sorry for the late response and that I did not fullfill my promise - the >> last days were quite busy. >> >> May be you should have a look at the proposal text which brought > attribute >> text:continue-list into ODF 1.2 [1] >> Here is a quote from this proposal text regarding attribute >> text:continue-list: >> <quote> >> The purpose of these new attributes is to continue the numbering of an >> arbitrary preceding list regardless of the applied list styles. It also >> ensures that lists in <text:numbered-paragraph> representation can also >> better be modeled in the <text:list> representation. >> These new attributes should be optional and are only valid for top-level >> <text:list> elements. It should be used in favor of the existing >> text:continue-numbering attribute that has the limitations described > below. >> </quote> >> >> What is missing in the specification is that text:continue-list is only >> valid for top-level <text:list> elements. This was in the proposal text, >> but somehow got lost. >> >> What is also missing is that the attribute text:continue-list shall only >> refer a top-level <text:list> element. The proposed attribute text:id was >> replace by xml:id, but somehow the previously mentioned wording got lost. >> >> Thus, this attribute shall only connect to top-level <text:list> elements >> together in order to form more or less one list. With is esp. used, when > a >> list is spread through certain table cells. >> >> Another important reason for this attribute and the corresponding xml:id >> was to clarify the transformation between the alternative approaches to >> represent lists in ODF - <text:list> together with <text:list-item> vs. >> <text:numbered-paragraph> >> >> For <text:numbered-paragraph> mandatory attribute <text:list-id> has been >> proposed and integrated into ODF 1.2. >> >> >> [1] >> http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/23418/07-04-05- >> proposal-lists.odt >> found on proposal list in our wiki [2] >> [2] http://wiki.oasis-open.org/office/List_of_Proposals >> >> >> Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best regards >> Oliver-Rainer Wittmann >> >> -- >> Advisory Software Engineer >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> IBM Deutschland >> Beim Strohhause 17 >> 20097 Hamburg >> Phone: +49-40-6389-1415 >> E-Mail: orwitt@de.ibm.com >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> IBM Deutschland Research & Development GmbH / Vorsitzende des >> Aufsichtsrats: Martina Koederitz >> Geschäftsführung: Dirk Wittkopp >> Sitz der Gesellschaft: Böblingen / Registergericht: Amtsgericht > Stuttgart, >> HRB 243294 >> >> >> >> From: Svante Schubert <svante.schubert@gmail.com> >> To: office@lists.oasis-open.org >> Date: 29.02.2012 14:47 >> Subject: [office] Continued Lists >> Sent by: <office@lists.oasis-open.org> >> >> >> >> I got a question in regard of the @text:continue-list attribute: >> http://docs.oasis-open.org/office/v1.2/os/OpenDocument-v1.2-os- >> part1.html#attribute-text_continue-list >> >> >> It is obvious that this attribute connects two (or more) lists elements >> within a document, where the following list has the @text:continue-list >> attribute referencing to the previous list. >> From my understanding those lists are not equal to one list, which embeds >> all the in between content, because: >> 1. The ODF 1.2 schema only allows paragraphs, headings, soft-page > breaks >> and (nested) lists within a list. The in between content may be >> arbitrary. >> 2. The usual indent of list content is likely not to apply to the in >> between content (unspecified - what is the user expectation?) >> >> >> What puzzles me, is the spec is not precise in regard of >> 1. @text:continue-list only allowing an xml:id of a list, that has > the >> same nested/indent level as the referenced list >> 2. What happens if one of both list's list item are > increased/decreased >> in list level? >> >> >> Can someone remember the use case for this feature and/or reference to > the >> discussion? >> Does this feature exists as well in other formats? >> >> >> Thanks in advance, >> Svante >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: office-unsubscribe@lists.oasis-open.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: office-help@lists.oasis-open.org >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: office-unsubscribe@lists.oasis-open.org > For additional commands, e-mail: office-help@lists.oasis-open.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: office-unsubscribe@lists.oasis-open.org For additional commands, e-mail: office-help@lists.oasis-open.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: office-unsubscribe@lists.oasis-open.org For additional commands, e-mail: office-help@lists.oasis-open.org
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