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Subject: chat log - ODF 13 Feb. 2017
Greetings! Our chat log for today: anonymous morphed into Jos van den Oever Jos van den Oever: I'm travelling so my phone and internet connection will waver somewhat. anonymous morphed into Thorsten Andras Timar 2: Hi all! Jos van den Oever: i've an update on the faster loading of spreadsheets Jos van den Oever: forget what issue # that was Patrick: 7 of 9 Patrick: https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/OFFICE-2102 Regina Henschel: Jos: Likely https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/OFFICE-2087 Andreas J Guelzow1: Hi, I have just joined the call although I don't seem to hear anything... Patrick: 8 of 9 - hello Andreas Jos van den Oever: sorry for mentioning text:a that obviously requires collapsing in all descriptions Jos van den Oever: All the elements you list as not supporting <text:s> seem to be fields which do not have long stretches of text Jos van den Oever: only hidden-paragraph would Jos van den Oever: ODF collapse rules are not like XML collapse rules Michael Stahl: Jos: text:text-input and text:variable-input and text:script are the elements where this probably matters a lot Jos van den Oever: Yes, in those elements it seems not unreasonable to not collapse Jos van den Oever: certainly text:script should not collapse and should not have <text:t> Jos van den Oever: i mean <text:s> Michael Stahl: Jos: i agree on text:script Jos van den Oever: so given that there is one tag that should not do ws collapse at all, there might be more Patrick: regina - which elements generate content and which take content from the file Jos van den Oever: the *-input fields do not calculate their contents, but most of the others do Jos van den Oever: it would indeed be good to have that annotated in a computer-readable way Jos van den Oever: An interesting aspect of the ODF ws collapsing is the handling of edges of elements Patrick: collapse on <text:keywords> problematic b/c format is implementation-dependent Patrick: possibly a problem for <text:printed-by> Jos van den Oever: The collapse algorithm deals with a collapse at the end of a field. E.g. <span><u>abc </u> def</span> would have one space between c and d and it would be underlined. Jos van den Oever: if <u/> was calculated value, should we still collapse those two space? Jos van den Oever: i see no scenario where that would be useful or expected. Jos van den Oever: we could clarify 'permits the inclusion of character data' to mean that the field should not hold editable data, if it is calculated it it is not editable Jos van den Oever: that still leave text-input as ambiguous, one could clarify further 'editable as paragraph text' Jos van den Oever: which one could argue excludes text-input and variable-set and script. Jos van den Oever: then we've more or less united the texts of 1.1 and 1.2 Jos van den Oever: apart from at least ruby and hidden-paragraph which need more explanation Jos van den Oever: (sorry for just typing, i'm in a noisy train) Jos van den Oever: i can hear you all fine though Michael Stahl: i don't like 'editable as paragraph text' - that is an implementation detail - e.g. for text:input, Word and LO 5.2 allow editing as paragraph text, but OOo 3.0 did not Michael Stahl: ^ meant text:text-input Michael Stahl: what does the hidden-paragraph field's content actually do? Jos van den Oever: it's there, just like a <span> i guess, it's not specified Jos van den Oever: from the functionality, it's not useful to have character content in there except as a handle to access the functionality e.g. to change the conditional Patrick: It controls the display of the text:p where it is embedded. oddly, it allows character data content but the condition for display/hiding is an attribute Patrick: and you can have more than one in a single text:p Michael Stahl: but the condition attribute should be sufficient for that? why does it need character content? Jos van den Oever: Michael: perhaps as a handle so you can access the functionality via the ui, it's a paragraph level functionality, so it's weird Michael Stahl: i can't find a way to enter character content into a hidden-paragraph field in LO 5.2 Michael Stahl: if i edit the xml and put something there it isn't imported (the field is imported but contained content ignored) Jos van den Oever: allowing character content in there might be an error originating in the fact that there is 'paragraph' in the element tag Jos van den Oever: then let's mark it as an error in 1.2 and say that no character content is allowed in there, i.e. it should not be processed, but it's presence should not halt processing Michael Stahl: Jos: i wouldn't object to that Jos van den Oever: it would make the current ws discussion easier Patrick: The annotation - the gray material in the text, was auto-generated from the schema by scripts - so need to check the schema for an error on that point. Patrick: take up with more research next week! Hope everyone is at the start of a great week! Patrick -- Patrick Durusau patrick@durusau.net Technical Advisory Board, OASIS (TAB) Editor, OpenDocument Format TC (OASIS), Project Editor ISO/IEC 26300 Co-Editor, ISO/IEC 13250-1, 13250-5 (Topic Maps) Another Word For It (blog): http://tm.durusau.net Homepage: http://www.durusau.net Twitter: patrickDurusau
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