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Subject: RE: [oic] FW: [office] Moving forward on Conformance - OIC Role
Dennis, Thanks for the note, although I slightly disagree with the "hasn't look into it" part of 3.4 (at least when applied to 3.1 - 3.3) :-) For instance: - http://wiki.oasis-open.org/oic/SpecAnalysis/1.1/17/2 - http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/oic/200901/msg00060.html - http://wiki.oasis-open.org/oic/ODFProfiles - http://wiki.oasis-open.org/oic/ODFRemarks Granted, it isn't much, but a start nevertheless. I am, however, a little worried about the progress of it. Although it's great to see that the OIC has a few very active participants (thanks !), I must admit that I was hoping for others to jump on the bandwagon... So once again, I'd like to pose the question whether this is due to: - the direction/focus of the OIC being perhaps unclear ? - too much emphasis on theory instead of the practical aspects ? - resource issues, perhaps because most members are also heavily involved in ODF 1.2, holidays etc ? - efforts simply not being visible ? (that is, there could be lots of work going on under the radar) - other factors ? (Note that I'm not looking for blaming people, merely looking for a solution where we can all benefit from our hard work) Best regards, Bart -----Original Message----- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamilton@acm.org] Sent: maandag 9 februari 2009 7:21 To: OIC TC List Subject: [oic] FW: [office] Moving forward on Conformance - OIC Role There is occasional mention on the ODF TC list of how the OIC TC might help with ODF Conformance. I am not clear on exactly how that works and I am a little concerned that we are expected to provide something that only the ODF TC can really do. However that sorts out, I thought exactly what we can provide and in what forms is worth kicking around. Here are my thoughts from <http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/office/200902/msg00100.html>. - Denis -----Original Message----- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamilton@acm.org] Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 20:23 To: 'Michael.Brauer@Sun.COM'; 'robert_weir@us.ibm.com' Cc: 'office@lists.oasis-open.org' Subject: RE: [office] Moving forward on Conformance - OIC Role I saw these mentions of what OIC might do with regard to conformance and I wanted to clarify my still-learning understanding of that. 1. The OIC cannot do anything about the conformance levels and the normative statements of the ODF specification. It also can't (well, shouldn't) do anything that results in contradiction of the conformance levels and normative statements of the ODF specification. 2. In determining how to assess conformance, the OIC may discover areas where the ODF specification is underspecified or inconsistent and report those finding to the ODF TC. There may also be discoveries of misunderstandings and disagreements about the requirements among implementers, and that can be reported to the ODF TC as well. (My guess, and only a guess, is that none of this is likely to coincide with current ODF 1.2 development, based on the desired movement of ODF 1.2 toward OASIS Standard and the early stage that OIC effort is in.) 3. Where the OIC may be valuable is in the area of optional normative statements, where there are MAY, NEED NOT, SHOULD, SHOULD NOT. Also, there may be something to do in regard to other optionality and discretionary matters (maximum table dimensions, for example). And, it may be valuable to notice what implementations are doing, if anything, around places where the ODF specification is silent or underspecified or apparently has left matters to be determined by implementations. 3.1 In this case (with great caution where there is no explicit guidance in the ODF Standard), the OIC might promulgate a profile that defines a level of document, consumer, and producer for successful interoperable usage. Such a profile would presumably limit some optionality in order to achieve the interoperability and might specify more about how interpretation of unsupported provisions are to be handled under the profile. 3.2 I don't know that ODF TC concurrence would be required in this case. Perhaps such a profile could move to OASIS Standard in its own right, even though it is based on and completely dependent on a specific ODF standard. 3.3 Perhaps something that would be valuable for the establishment of a profile is provision in the ODF specification of an agreed way to amend MIME types and office:version values, or other metadata, to indicate the additional protocol agreement that a document conforms to and should be employed in its processing. 3.4 I am making this all up. The OIC has not looked at this, although I am going to forward this note to that list also. 4. I'm not sure about extensions. I think that is not the business of the OIC except to perhaps recognize the possible existence of any extensions in common use among multiple implementations. This strikes me as not something for OIC to have its attention on in the near term. - Dennis -----Original Message----- From: Michael.Brauer@Sun.COM [mailto:Michael.Brauer@Sun.COM] http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/office/200902/msg00034.html Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 08:30 To: robert_weir@us.ibm.com Cc: office@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: Re: [office] Moving forward on Conformance Hi Rob, thank you for this summary. I think it very well describes the situation. What I would like to add here is what you said in another mail, that is, that we must also consider that some more work regarding conformance is done in the OIC TC. [ ... ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that generates this mail. 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