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Subject: Re: [oic] state-of-interop-cd-03 - AGREEMENT ON TC DOCUMENT FORMAT AND TOOLS
I'm supposed to be neutral. With that disclaimer out of the way, I am a very strong proponent of the editable source being the authoritative version for exactly the reasons Rob has described. Too often I have seen 'odd things happen' in the PDF rendering or XHTML/HTML export options. Remember, I'm neutral. Mary On Feb 10, 2010, at 2:10 PM, robert_weir@us.ibm.com wrote: > The version approved as CD04 was approved with the ODF version as > authoritative. > > Of course, we are free to make a different choice if/when we make a post > public review revision. > > And remember, just because there are known bugs in the ODF rendering does > not mean that there are not also bugs in the HTML or PDF exports. I've > certainly seen my share of those. I'll take an obvious but benign > rendering error over a subtle but pernicious one any day. > > -Rob > > > "Dennis E. Hamilton" <dennis.hamilton@acm.org> wrote on 02/10/2010 > 01:19:07 PM: >> >> Subject: >> >> RE: [oic] state-of-interop-cd-03 - AGREEMENT ON TC DOCUMENT FORMAT AND > TOOLS >> >> This is a work-process issue. We have no agreement on what version and >> specific tool we share in common in order to be able to produce and work > on >> (authoritative) documents of the OIC TC, and ones the TC Administrator > can >> manipulate in order to produce the OASIS Standard version (if she is the > one >> who needs to be able to do that). >> >> It is an interoperability issue for ourselves in our own work. >> >> I notice that the proposed solution to the immediate issue involves >> proposing that a specific product release be used with, I suppose, a > prayer >> that the builds for different platforms don't have interop problems too. >> >> So, when we go to Public Review, how do we deal with this? That we > identify >> the document as one supported by a specific product version? >> >> I recommend that we avoid this by making the PDF be the authoritative >> version. Whatever fears there are of an unfaithful PDF result, I think > the >> odds of successful consumption by reviewers and user are clearly better > than >> what we are dealing with as a certainty. Also, the PDFs that are > relatively >> small, easy to review, and for the State of Interoperability, we have no >> concern about some normative text being corrupted in the PDF. >> >> - Dennis >> >> PS: Rob quipped that a committee can use any document format it wants, > even >> Microsoft Word .doc. If I'd been on my toes, I would have offered to > second >> that were it to be made as a motion. (It would be ironic if the ODF > exports >> to .doc were more reliable than what we are seeing in ODF interchange.) >> I am now accustomed to OASIS TCs that use ODF. It is startling when > I >> see .doc files, especially as authoritative sources, from other TCs. I > want >> us to have a reliable way to use ODF Text documents on the OIC TC. It > is an >> obvious dog-food issue. What can we do to achieve that successfully? >> >> PPS: Out of curiosity, I noticed that CD03 itself was identified with >> office:version="1.2" and >> <meta:generator>OOo-dev/3.2$Win32 >> OpenOffice.org_project/320m6$Build-9459</meta:generator>. This opens > just >> fine in OpenOffice.org 3.0.1 and (after ignoring the warning) > OpenOffice.org >> 2.4.1. >> >> PPPS: Since this is not about producing reports about specific products > but >> figuring out a way to use an interoperable set of tools for our own > document >> production, I tried Windows 7 WordPad on cd03. It doesn't handle > numbers on >> the headings and doesn't handle ToCs. On the other hand, Word 2007 SP2 >> opens all three of CD03, CD03-wd01 and CD03-wd02 and shows the ToC and >> in-body headings correctly EXCEPT that, for all three documents, the >> level-two headings all have page breaks in front of them and, with wd02 >> only, the Section numbering starts over at 1 with the Conclusions > section. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Hanssens Bart [mailto:Bart.Hanssens@fedict.be] >> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 08:30 >> To: dennis.hamilton@acm.org; oic@lists.oasis-open.org >> Cc: Rob Weir >> Subject: RE: [oic] Groups - state-of-interop-cd-03-wd02.odt uploaded - >> NUMBERING >> >> Well, we actually shouldn't comment on implementations per charter, but > I >> guess it's related to >> >> http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=106218 >> >> Should be fixed when opening in 3.2 and resaving again, I'll do that > when >> updating to cd4. >> >> >> Bart >> >> ________________________________________ >> From: Dennis E. Hamilton [dennis.hamilton@acm.org] >> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 4:58 PM >> To: oic@lists.oasis-open.org >> Cc: Hanssens Bart; Rob Weir >> Subject: RE: [oic] Groups - state-of-interop-cd-03-wd02.odt uploaded - >> NUMBERING >> >> OK, I didn't look closely enough. >> >> When I opened this document in OpenOffice 3.0.1, I did see the TOC with >> proper subsections, and I saw section numbers on the headings in the > body of >> the document. >> >> However, numbering is not maintained properly in the body. There are >> several section 0.1, for example. >> >> E.g., 2.2 is numbered 0.1, 2.3 is numbered 0.1 also, section 3 is number > as >> section 1, 3.2 is numbered 0.1, section 4 is numbered as section 1, etc. >> >> SO, I tried the OpenOffice 2.4.1, Sun Distribution. >> >> It has the TOC right and it has the subsections being in the same > section. >> But the subsections are all numbered *.1. That is, Section 4 has two >> subsections each numbered 4.1. >> >> FINALLY, I opened the package in WinZip and confirmed that >> <office:document-content> office:version="1.1". And also, in meta.xml, >> <meta:generator>OpenOffice.org/3.1$Unix >> OpenOffice.org_project/310m19$Build-9420</meta:generator> >> >> Yes, I would say that this is a big deal for the State of > Interoperability. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: bart.hanssens@fedict.be [mailto:bart.hanssens@fedict.be] >> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 07:02 >> To: oic@lists.oasis-open.org >> Subject: [oic] Groups - state-of-interop-cd-03-wd02.odt uploaded >> >> The document revision named state-of-interop-cd-03-wd02.odt has been >> submitted by Mr. Bart Hanssens to the OASIS Open Document Format >> Interoperability and Conformance (OIC) TC document repository. This >> document is revision #1 of state-of-interop-cd-03-wd01.odt. >> >> Document Description: >> >> >> View Document Details: >> http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/document.php?document_id=36343 >> >> Download Document: >> > http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/36343/state-of-interop-cd- > >> 03-wd02.odt >> >> Revision: >> This document is revision #1 of state-of-interop-cd-03-wd01.odt. The >> document details page referenced above will show the complete revision >> history. >> >> >> PLEASE NOTE: If the above links do not work for you, your email > application >> may be breaking the link into two pieces. You may be able to copy and > paste >> the entire link address into the address field of your web browser. >> >> -OASIS Open Administration >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that >> generates this mail. 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