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Subject: RE: [opencsa-liaison] Namespaces and Specification CDs....
I guess there is not much to discuss without Mary's input (on the background and rationale for inserting the 'ns' token in the namespace URI)! > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Mischkinsky [mailto:jeff.mischkinsky@oracle.com] > Sent: Friday, Mar 07, 2008 10:34 AM > To: Martin Chapman > Cc: mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org; ashok.malhotra@oracle.com; > opencsa-liaison@lists.oasis-open.org > Subject: Re: [opencsa-liaison] Namespaces and Specification CDs.... > > hi, > Do we need a meeting to discuss this or can it be handled > via email? > cheers, > jeff > On Mar 07, 2008, at 7:08 AM, Martin Chapman wrote: > > > Replying only to the SCA Liaison SC. > > > > Mary has basically informed us that we should be using namespaces > > in OpenSCA with a prefix of: > > http://docs.oasis-open.org/ns/opencsa/..., and Mary has an action > > item from a Steering Committee meeting to write this up. > > It is not clear to me why the /ns/ is before opensca, as no other > > TCs use this approach, but such is life. > > Thus I just wanted to make sure that all OpenSCA TCs are aware of > > this prefix. > > > > Cheers, > > Martin. > > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Mary McRae [mailto:marypmcrae@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Mary > >> McRae > >> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 9:56 PM > >> To: ashok.malhotra@oracle.com > >> Cc: 'Mike Edwards'; 'OASIS Assembly'; > >> opencsa-liaison@lists.oasis-open.org > >> Subject: [sca-assembly] RE: [opencsa-liaison] RE: > >> [sca-assembly] Namespaces and Specification CDs.... > >> > >> > >> Thanks Ashok, > >> > >> Here's a good example showing interrelationships: > >> > >> http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-rx/wsrmp/200702 > >> http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-rx/wsmc/200702 > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Mary > >> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: ashok malhotra [mailto:ashok.malhotra@oracle.com] > >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 4:34 PM > >>> To: mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org > >>> Cc: 'Mike Edwards'; 'OASIS Assembly'; > >>> opencsa-liaison@lists.oasis-open.org > >>> Subject: Re: [opencsa-liaison] RE: [sca-assembly] Namespaces and > >>> Specification CDs.... > >>> > >>>> And who will be providing the requisite namespace document? > >>> > >>> Mary, if you point me to one or more examples I will write the > >>> namespace document. > >>> > >>> Ashok > >>> > >>> Mary McRae wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hi everyone, > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> One of the concerns expressed when the notion of a common > >>>> namespace was initially brought up was the matter of control and > >>>> approval. I believe that sca-policy was directed by the > >> sca-assembly > >>>> TC to use http://docs.oasis-open.org/ns/opencsa/sca/200712. While > >>>> this document has not yet gone for Public Review, and no > namespace > >>>> document was provided, I would like to ensure that this is all > >>>> worked out before more documents get to the Committee > >> Draft / Public > >>>> Review stage. Sca-bpel is **also** using the 200712 > namespace. Who > >>>> will instruct the TCs that the namespace used in their > >>>> specifications needs to be updated? Should all namespace > >> requests be > >>>> handled by the Open CSA Liaison subcommittee? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> And who will be providing the requisite namespace document? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Mary > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> *From:* Mike Edwards [mailto:mike_edwards@uk.ibm.com] > >>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 26, 2008 3:25 PM > >>>> *To:* OASIS Assembly > >>>> *Subject:* RE: [sca-assembly] Namespaces and > Specification CDs.... > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Martin, Sanjay, > >>>> > >>>> Thanks for digging this out. So, the formal proposal, > >> which should > >>>> be placed into the CD of the Assembly spec is: > >>>> > >>>> http://docs.oasis-open.org/ns/opencsa/sca/200803 > >>>> > >>>> Now, this episode says also the following: > >>>> > >>>> a) we need to make clearer decisions as recorded in the meeting > >>>> minutes - this is a case of something very confusing being > >> recorded. > >>>> Not blaming anyone but myself as chair for that, but it > >> does need to > >>>> change. > >>>> > >>>> b) we need to vote again on the format, since there is a change > >>>> (forced by OASIS) from the format agreed by the TC > >>>> - don't think that anyone will object, but I'd like to see > >> a formal > >>>> agreement to the actual format that we're going to use > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Yours, Mike. > >>>> > >>>> Strategist - Emerging Technologies, SCA & SDO. > >>>> Co Chair OASIS SCA Assembly TC. > >>>> IBM Hursley Park, Mail Point 146, Winchester, SO21 2JN, > >> Great Britain. > >>>> Phone & FAX: +44-1962-818014 Mobile: +44-7802-467431 > >>>> Email: mike_edwards@uk.ibm.com > >>>> > >>>> *"Patil, Sanjay" <sanjay.patil@sap.com>* > >>>> > >>>> 26/02/2008 16:26 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> To > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> "Martin Chapman" <martin.chapman@oracle.com>, "OASIS Assembly" > >>>> <sca-assembly@lists.oasis-open.org> > >>>> > >>>> cc > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Subject > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> RE: [sca-assembly] Namespaces and Specification CDs.... > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> If you follow the link in Martin's email below and open the > >>>> attachment pointed at the bottom of that link, you will find the > >>>> right proposal [1] for the namespace URI design. > >>>> > >>>> The additional change OASIS staff later required is - > insertion of > >>>> the token 'ns' in the namespace URI. > >>>> > >>>> Assuming that the ballot for the first CD passes in Mar > 2008, then > >>>> the namespace URI that would be compliant with the > >> proposal we have > >>>> adopted and that incorporates the change suggested by the OASIS > >>>> staff would look as follows: > >>>> > >>>> http://docs.oasis-open.org/ns/opencsa/sca/200803 > >>>> > >>>> -- Sanjay > >>>> > >>>> [1] > >>>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca- > >>> assembly/email/archives/200710/bin00002.bin > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> ---- > >>>> > >>>> *From:* Martin Chapman [mailto:martin.chapman@oracle.com] * > >>>> Sent:* Tuesday, Feb 26, 2008 8:04 AM* > >>>> To:* 'OASIS Assembly'* > >>>> Subject:* RE: [sca-assembly] Namespaces and Specification CDs.... > >>>> > >>>> Here's a link to the mail i thought we had agreed. > >>>> > >>>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca- > >>> assembly/email/archives/200710/msg00096.html > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message-----* > >>>> From:* Martin Chapman [mailto:martin.chapman@oracle.com] * > >>>> Sent:* Tuesday, February 26, 2008 3:53 PM* > >>>> To:* 'Mike Edwards'; 'OASIS Assembly'* > >>>> Subject:* RE: [sca-assembly] Namespaces and Specification CDs.... > >>>> > >>>> This is not what I thought we had agreed to do. We only > >> need to rev > >>>> the namespace when non-backwards compatible changes are > >> made, not at > >>>> each CD etc. > >>>> > >>>> Martin. > >>>> -----Original Message-----* > >>>> From:* Mike Edwards [mailto:mike_edwards@uk.ibm.com] * > >>>> Sent:* Tuesday, February 26, 2008 10:02 AM* > >>>> To:* OASIS Assembly* > >>>> Subject:* [sca-assembly] Namespaces and Specification CDs.... > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Folks, > >>>> > >>>> My view on the namespace is that we should aim to have > one and one > >>>> only and not change it at all until the publication of > the "final" > >>>> version of the specification. Making changes for every > >>>> CD makes no sense to me. The CD's are drafts and have no > >> "official" > >>>> status. > >>>> > >>>> Folks who are trying to "follow" the XSDs etc during the spec > >>>> development process will simply have to put up with the changes, > >>>> with no assistance from dates in the NS's. Only once there is > >>>> something official available will there be a need to mark > >> any future > >>>> changes with a different NS. > >>>> > >>>> So, to cut to the chase how about the following as a > namespace for > >>>> assembly: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> http://docs.oasis-open.org/OpenCSA/SCA-Common/200803 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ...we can vote to change to a later dated namespace once > >> we get near > >>>> final publication of OASIS SCA 1.0.... > >>>> > >>>> Yours, Mike. > >>>> > >>>> Strategist - Emerging Technologies, SCA & SDO. > >>>> Co Chair OASIS SCA Assembly TC. > >>>> IBM Hursley Park, Mail Point 146, Winchester, SO21 2JN, > >> Great Britain. > >>>> Phone & FAX: +44-1962-818014 Mobile: +44-7802-467431 > >>>> Email: mike_edwards@uk.ibm.com > >>>> > >>>> *Anish Karmarkar <Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com>* > >>>> > >>>> 26/02/2008 02:00 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> To > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Bryan Aupperle <aupperle@us.ibm.com> > >>>> > >>>> cc > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> sca-assembly@lists.oasis-open.org > >>>> > >>>> Subject > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Re: [sca-assembly] Groups - > >> sca-assembly-1.1-spec-WD-03.doc uploaded > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> I agree. > >>>> But before we do that we need to figure out a NS change > >> policy: when > >>>> would we change the namespace between two CDS? Would there be a > >>>> change for every version, or would it change only when there is a > >>>> backward incompatible change? Do we need to sync up the > NS between > >>>> various TCs? > >>>> > >>>> Putting such a policy in place would be helpful for early > >>>> adopters/implementers. > >>>> > >>>> -Anish > >>>> -- > >>>> > >>>> Bryan Aupperle wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> I know this is a nit, but if we are going to consider WD 03 as a > >>>>> potential CD, doesn't that mean that date for the > >> namespace will be > >>>>> set and therefore the declared namespace at the front of the > >>>>> document should be filled in and not left as TBD? > >>>>> > >>>>> Bryan Aupperle, Ph.D. > >>>>> STSM, WebSphere Enterprise Platform Software Solution Architect > >>>>> Master Inventor > >>>>> > >>>>> Research Triangle Park, NC > >>>>> +1 919-254-7508 (T/L 444-7508) > >>>>> Internet Address: aupperle@us.ibm.com > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> *Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com* > >>>>> > >>>>> 02/19/2008 12:50 AM > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> To > >>>>> sca-assembly@lists.oasis-open.org > >>>>> cc > >>>>> > >>>>> Subject > >>>>> [sca-assembly] Groups - > >>>> sca-assembly-1.1-spec-WD-03.doc uploaded > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> The document revision named sca-assembly-1.1-spec-WD-03.doc has > >>>>> been submitted by Dr. Anish Karmarkar to the OASIS Service > >>>>> Component Architecture / Assembly (SCA-Assembly) TC document > >>>>> repository. This document is revision #2 of > >>>>> sca-assembly-1.1-spec-WD-03.doc. > >>>>> > >>>>> Document Description: > >>>>> WD-03 incorporates issues: 1A, 4, 9, 19, 21, 22 > >>>>> + > >>>>> - in Implementation and ComponentType section added > attribute and > >>>> element > >>>>> description for service, reference, and property > >>>>> - removed comments that helped understand the initial > >> restructuring > >>>>> for WD02 > >>>>> - added changes for issue 43 > >>>>> - added changes for issue 45, except the changes for > policySet and > >>>> requires > >>>>> attribute on property elements > >>>>> > >>>>> View Document Details: > >>>>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca- > >>> assembly/document.php?document_id=27238 > >>>>> > >>>>> Download Document: > >>>>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca- > >>> assembly/download.php/27238/sca-assembly-1.1-spec-WD-03.doc > >>>>> > >>>>> Revision: > >>>>> This document is revision #2 of sca-assembly-1.1-spec-WD-03.doc. > >>>>> The document details page referenced above will show > the complete > >>>>> revision history. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> PLEASE NOTE: If the above links do not work for you, your email > >>>> application > >>>>> may be breaking the link into two pieces. 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