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Subject: Re: [opencsa-ms] Re: [opencsa-sc] Confirm name and settings for LSC
On Nov 07, 2007, at 6:35 AM, Scott McGrath wrote: > Jeff, all, > > I understand what the charter expects. My original observation > remains > unchallenged, so I'll assume it to be correct. My observation was > that the > default "join" process which is designed to support the TC Process > and IPR > Policy (with Primary Approval and mail templates identifying > appropriate TC > rules and policies) is inappropriate in this situation. Therefore > we have > to hide the "join" link and invoke a manual process of "ask someone > to add > you to the roster" much as we do for the Member Section group. Is that because the only way to join a mailing list is invoke all the ipr/primary stuff? Seems rather inflexible -- another example of Kavi being the perfect tool? ;-( If that's the way it has to be, then i think there should be some text saying - any oasis member can join, but you have to do it manually. I'm sorry but i can't see any of this since i'm already a member and only see the usual confusing language that i have to remove myself in order to join - which i'm not going to do :-) -jeff > > I'll set up the group this morning and you can advise on any edits. > > Scott... > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jeff Mischkinsky [mailto:jeff.mischkinsky@oracle.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 11:03 PM >> To: Scott McGrath >> Cc: Graham Barber; OpenCSA >> Subject: [opencsa-ms] Re: [opencsa-sc] Confirm name and settings >> for LSC >> >> hi scott, >> (moving to the MS list) >> >> i'm not quite sure of all of the implications of what you are >> proposing, but the charter is quite clear: >> "LSC meetings, (teleconference and/or face to face) shall be posted >> in advance. The meetings shall be open to other OpenCSA MS and >> affiliated TC members as observers. Observers may participate in >> meetings at the discretion of the chair. Any eligible OASIS member >> may subscribe to the LSC mail list and post to it." >> cheers, >> jeff >> >> On Nov 06, 2007, at 9:27 AM, Scott McGrath wrote: >> >>> Graham, >>> >>> >>> >>> See some replies inline >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Graham Barber [mailto:graham_barber@uk.ibm.com] >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 12:10 PM >>> To: Scott McGrath >>> Cc: opencsa-sc@lists.oasis-open.org >>> Subject: Re: [opencsa-sc] Confirm name and settings for LSC >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Scott >>> >>> A couple of questions: >>> >>> - On the Groups Page, I think I interpret that subcommittees are >>> indented under the main committee that they "serve". >>> >>> [Scott said:] >>> >>> Under normal circumstances, that is true. But this is not a >>> "normal" subcommittee in that we would not enforce our subcommittee >>> rules (to be a member on a SC, you must be a member of the parent >>> committee) Therefore, this subcommittee wouldn't be represented in >>> the usual parent/child relationship of indented under the parent. >>> >>> If I have this right, this group will be under the Steering >>> Committee Group, yes? If so, then leaving "OpenCSA" in the name may >>> be redundant. As we've lost the more important "SCA", may I suggest >>> "SCA Liaison SubCommittee" as an alternative? That may change the >>> long name as well, of course. >>> >>> [Scott said:] >>> >>> I was focusing on OpenCSA and avoiding SCA to help make it clear >>> that it is a subcommittee of the Member Section, not one of the SCA >>> TCs. >>> >>> - Will it be possible to join as an Observer? That was my personal >>> intention, for example. >>> >>> [Scott said:] >>> >>> Hmmm, didn't consider that, either on a policy level or >>> operationally. I'll let you folks deal with the policy issue, but >>> I would observe that if I expose the "Join this group" link, it >>> will invoke all the TC related "join management/Primary Approval" >>> tools, webpages, email templates that make perfect sense when >>> joining a TC-and no sense when joining this special group. If you >>> folks agree having Observers is culturally correct (and I can bet >>> on that outcome) I think the best process to allow that is to >>> modify the page message to read: >>> >>> "If you are interested in Observing this subcommittee joining this >>> subcommittee to represent your SCA >>> TC, please notify the Steering Committee at opencsa-sc@lists.oasis- >>> open.org" >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Graham J Barber, >>> >>> OASIS OpenCSA Steering Committee Secretary & Vice-Chair, >>> Program Director, SOA Partnerships, IBM Corporation. >>> Graham_Barber@uk.ibm.com >>> Phone: >>> Internal: 245702, External: +44 (0) >>> 1962 815702 >>> Secretary (Carol): 245395, +44 (0)1962 >>> 815395 >>> Cellphone (Worldwide): +44 (0) >>> 7880 734005 >>> >>> >>> "Scott McGrath" <scott.mcgrath@oasis-open.org> >>> >>> 06/11/2007 15:52 >>> >>> To >>> >>> <opencsa-sc@lists.oasis-open.org> >>> >>> cc >>> >>> >>> >>> Subject >>> >>> [opencsa-sc] Confirm name and settings for LSC >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Gents, >>> >>> In creating the infrastructure for the OpenCSA Inter-SCA TC Liaison >>> SubCommittee, allow me to confirm a few details. >>> >>> The group name and mail list name has practical size limitations >>> because of >>> display issues. Therefore, I suggest: >>> >>> Group Name (as displayed on the group pages) OpenCSA Liaison >>> SubCommittee >>> Mail list name: opencsa-liaison@lists.oasis-open.org >>> The charter and supporting page text will of course reference the >>> full name. >>> >>> All group settings will be configured to give the visibility you >>> seek. >>> >>> The "Join this Group" button will be hidden. OASIS members who >>> are not >>> already on the roster will see a note that says something like: >>> "If you are interested in joining this sub-committee to represent >>> your SCA >>> TC, please notify the Steering Committee at opencsa-sc@lists.oasis- >>> open.org" >>> With your guidance we can add members to the roster. >>> >>> Let me know if I've missed something. If we can put closure to >>> this today, >>> I can have the pages available by Wednesday, as requested. >>> >>> Scott... >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> - >>> To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that >>> generates this mail. You may a link to this group and all your TCs >>> in OASIS >>> at: >>> https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/ >>> my_workgroups.php >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Unless stated otherwise above: >>> IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with >>> number 741598. >>> Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire >>> PO6 3AU >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Jeff Mischkinsky > jeff.mischkinsky@oracle.com >> Director, Oracle Fusion Middleware and Web Services Standards +1(650) >> 506-1975 >> Consulting Member Technical Staff 500 Oracle >> Parkway, M/ >> S 4OP9 >> Oracle Redwood > Shores, CA >> 94065 >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that >> generates this mail. You may a link to this group and all your >> TCs in >> OASIS >> at: >> https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/ >> my_workgroups.php > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that > generates this mail. You may a link to this group and all your TCs > in OASIS > at: > https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups.php > -- Jeff Mischkinsky jeff.mischkinsky@oracle.com Director, Oracle Fusion Middleware and Web Services Standards +1(650) 506-1975 Consulting Member Technical Staff 500 Oracle Parkway, M/ S 4OP9 Oracle Redwood Shores, CA 94065
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