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Subject: RE: [opencsa-ms] SCA/SDO book project
SAP would be happy to contribute content for the Intro/Overview chapter (for SCA benefits/scenarios) and for the chapter on integrating with existing systems (Java EE and EJB in particular). We might be able to do more, but this is what I am comfortable with committing to as of now ...
-- Sanjay
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Patrick Leonard [mailto:Patrick.Leonard@roguewave.com]
> Sent: Thursday, Dec 13, 2007 7:04 AM
> To: ashok.malhotra@oracle.com; Natale, Bob
> Cc: carol.geyer@oasis-open.org;
> opencsa-ms@lists.oasis-open.org; Carsten Röttgers;
> daniel.pieper@t-online.de
> Subject: RE: [opencsa-ms] SCA/SDO book project
>
> I wrote the ToC a while ago, when the Policy spec was a bit
> 'squishy' - no slight intended. I agree it should be added.
> Even if it needs to settle some more we can probably come up
> with a good way to address that.
>
> Re: timing, I think we are trying to determine that, but I'm
> of the opinion that we should start soon. These things take
> a while, and content like this tends to help a young standard
> to mature and gain adoption.
>
> Patrick
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ashok malhotra [mailto:ashok.malhotra@oracle.com]
> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 2:53 AM
> To: Natale, Bob
> Cc: Patrick Leonard; carol.geyer@oasis-open.org;
> opencsa-ms@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: Re: [opencsa-ms] SCA/SDO book project
>
> I would be happy to contribute something on SCA Policy.
> My feeling though is that it's a bit early and we shd let the
> spec settle down a bit.
> What was your timeframe for the book?
> Ashok
>
> Natale, Bob wrote:
>
> >
> >Hi Patrick,
> >
> >I noticed that your ToC did not include any refs to SCA Policy...are
> >you excluding it by design or relegating it to just a part
> of the "SCA
> >Concepts" topic? Personally, I feel that it merits distinct and
> >proportionate treatment.
> >
> >(I'd be happy to contribute material on the topic of "SCA
> Policy", but
> >if others more qualified (from the core SCA Policy team) decided to
> >participate, I'd certainly defer to them.)
> >
> >Cheers,
> >BobN
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Patrick Leonard [mailto:Patrick.Leonard@roguewave.com]
> >Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 8:06 PM
> >To: Carsten Röttgers
> >Cc: daniel.pieper@t-online.de; carol.geyer@oasis-open.org;
> >opencsa-ms@lists.oasis-open.org; mike_edwards@uk.ibm.com
> >Subject: RE: RE: RE: [opencsa-ms] SCA/SDO book project
> >
> >My timeline is flexible, but I think it's a good time to
> start - based
> >on presentations that I've made there are real SCA projects
> starting. I
> >don't have a lot of free time (like everyone) but now is as
> good later.
> >
> >I'm open to different publication/distribution options. Not
> trying to
> >get rich on this, just to get the info out. But I Rogue
> Wave may also
> >be able to help with working with a publisher - sometimes having a
> >corporate sponsor can help. Other means like CC,
> blog/rss/wiki, e-book
> >are worth considering as well. We could also do a serial
> publication
> >(like Stephen King's "The Green Mile"
> >http://www.amazon.com/Green-Mile-Stephen-King/dp/0671041789)
> >
> >I haven't heard of duplex book. I read the link below but I have to
> >confess that I didn't quite get it. What does it do and
> what are the
> >benefits?
> >
> >Mike Edwards expressed interest when he and I talked last year but I
> >don't know if he did any writing or if he has availability now. I'm
> >copying Mike here.
> >
> >Best,
> >
> >Patrick
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Carsten Röttgers [mailto:carsten.roettgers@gmx.net]
> >Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 4:19 PM
> >To: Patrick Leonard
> >Cc: daniel.pieper@t-online.de; carol.geyer@oasis-open.org;
> >opencsa-ms@lists.oasis-open.org
> >Subject: AW: RE: RE: [opencsa-ms] SCA/SDO book project
> >
> >Patrick,
> >
> >your toc matches our considerations quite well. We will give you
> >feedback and a proposal on our part by end of week.
> >
> >But before we have further questions:
> >* What is your timeline?
> >* Would it be an option for you to make the book available
> for free if
> >you will not find a publisher? We discussed this point and
> would start
> >writing irrespectively of having a publisher (but we are quite
> >confident to find one). If necessary we would opt to publish under
> >creative commons (or sort of).
> >* Daniel came up with the idea of a duplex book
> >(http://www.martinfowler.com/bliki/DuplexBook.html). Any opinion?
> >* You mentioned Mike Edwards has also done some writing. Do you have
> >any idea if he is still willing to go on?
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Carsten
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> >>Von: Patrick Leonard [mailto:Patrick.Leonard@roguewave.com]
> >>Gesendet: Montag, 26. November 2007 18:55
> >>An: "Carsten Röttgers"
> >>Cc: daniel.pieper@t-online.de; carol.geyer@oasis-open.org; opencsa-
> >>ms@lists.oasis-open.org
> >>Betreff: RE: RE: RE: [opencsa-ms] SCA/SDO book project
> >>
> >>Carsten,
> >>
> >>Here is an outline that I put together a while back. I have also
> >>written some content that could be used for the background
> and other
> >>parts of Chapter 1.
> >>
> >>I don't expect that it is complete but may be a good starting point.
> >>-----------------------------
> >>
> >>Service Component Architecture: Book Outline, Patrick Leonard
> >>
> >>Table of Contents
> >>
> >>Chapter 1: The Evolution of Service-Oriented Architectures
> >>
> >> * Background
> >> * Evolution of SOA
> >> * What is SCA?
> >> * Benefits of SCA
> >>
> >>Chapter: How does SCA work? (an overview)
> >>
> >> * SCA Concepts
> >> * How do I get started?
> >>
> >>Chapter: Assembly Model
> >>
> >> * Overview
> >> * Components
> >> * Implementation
> >> * Composite
> >> * Interface
> >> * System
> >> * Binding
> >> * Extension Model
> >> * Multiple Languages
> >>
> >>Chapter: Use Cases
> >>
> >>Chapter: Integrating Existing Systems
> >>
> >> * Java EE
> >> * EJB
> >> * C++ and other native languages
> >> * Packaged Applications
> >> Chapter: Windows Communication Foundation.
> >> Chapter: Vendor Offerings
> >>
> >>Chapter: Futures
> >>
> >>Chapter: References
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: "Carsten Röttgers" [mailto:Carsten.Roettgers@gmx.net]
> >>Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 7:45 AM
> >>To: Patrick Leonard
> >>Cc: daniel.pieper@t-online.de; carol.geyer@oasis-open.org; opencsa-
> >>ms@lists.oasis-open.org
> >>Subject: Re: RE: RE: [opencsa-ms] SCA/SDO book project
> >>
> >>Timeline for the book? Well, it depends ;-) For instance,
> it depends
> >>on how practical "we" want it to be. But as a rough guess
> >>("regardless" of its content in detail and other
> "circumstances") we
> >>would estimate about 1 year from now on. Detailed planning
> will take
> >>place as soon as all contributing authors are determined
> and we have
> >>done an initial outline.
> >>
> >>Carsten
> >>
> >>-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> >>
> >>
> >>>Datum: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 10:00:43 -0700
> >>>Von: "Patrick Leonard" <Patrick.Leonard@roguewave.com>
> >>>An: "Carsten Röttgers" <Carsten.Roettgers@gmx.net>
> >>>CC: opencsa-ms@lists.oasis-open.org, carol.geyer@oasis-open.org,
> >>>daniel.pieper@t-online.de
> >>>Betreff: RE: RE: [opencsa-ms] SCA/SDO book project
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Carsten,
> >>>
> >>>I have done some writing on background and overview and could also
> >>>contribute details on the C++ side of the specs. I could also
> >>>
> >>>
> >>contribute content
> >>
> >>
> >>>for the C++ practical based on tuscany. What is your timeline?
> >>>
> >>>Patrick
> >>>
> >>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>From: "Carsten Röttgers" [mailto:Carsten.Roettgers@gmx.net]
> >>>Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 11:08 AM
> >>>To: Patrick Leonard
> >>>Cc: opencsa-ms@lists.oasis-open.org; carol.geyer@oasis-open.org;
> >>>daniel.pieper@t-online.de
> >>>Subject: Re: RE: [opencsa-ms] SCA/SDO book project
> >>>
> >>>Patrick,
> >>>
> >>>thanks for your offer. Indeed, this is an option worth considering.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>So
> >>
> >>
> >>>far we are open to work with additional authors as well as
> joining an
> >>>existing team.
> >>>
> >>>Currently we are in the feasibility/planning stages and checking if
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> >>>there are any publishers interested in a book on SCA/SDO. We forsee
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> >>>about 250-300 pages, but with additional authors this could be more
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> >>>(our last book had more than 500 pages - and well, it took a
> >>>
> >>>
> >while).
> >
> >
> >>>Our main focus will be on SCA and not on a specific implementation
> >>>(like Tuscany) but the book should definitively have a practical
> >>>part/example. So an appropriate (sub-)title could be "Implementing
> >>>
> >>>
> >>SCA/SDO with Tuscany".
> >>
> >>
> >>>So much for our first thoughts. Can you give us any insights on
> >>>
> >>>
> >what
> >
> >
> >>>you have done so far?
> >>>
> >>>Best regards,
> >>>Carsten
> >>>
> >>>-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Datum: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 09:53:22 -0700
> >>>>Von: "Patrick Leonard" <Patrick.Leonard@roguewave.com>
> >>>>An: "Carol Geyer" <carol.geyer@oasis-open.org>,
> >>>>daniel.pieper@t-online.de, carsten.roettgers@gmx.net
> >>>>CC: opencsa-ms@lists.oasis-open.org
> >>>>Betreff: RE: [opencsa-ms] SCA/SDO book project
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Daniel, Carsten,
> >>>>
> >>>>I would be happy to work with you on this as well. I have
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >already
> >
> >
> >>>>done some writing toward a few chapters and I believe Mike
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >Edwards
> >
> >
> >>>>has
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>as well.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>We started on this last year but got delayed. Let me know where
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>you
> >>
> >>
> >>>>are in the process and if this would be helpful.
> >>>>
> >>>>Best,
> >>>>
> >>>>Patrick
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Patrick Leonard
> >>>>VP, Engineering & Product Strategy Rogue Wave Software
> >>>>pleonard@roguewave.com
> >>>>
> >>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>From: Carol Geyer [mailto:carol.geyer@oasis-open.org]
> >>>>Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 7:42 AM
> >>>>To: daniel.pieper@t-online.de; carsten.roettgers@gmx.net
> >>>>Cc: opencsa-ms@lists.oasis-open.org
> >>>>Subject: [opencsa-ms] SCA/SDO book project
> >>>>
> >>>>Daniel, Carsten,
> >>>>Please let me offer my assistance on this project on behalf of
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>OASIS.
> >>
> >>
> >>>>I would be happy to review your work and answer any questions you
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >
> >
> >
> >>>>have related to Open CSA and OASIS.
> >>>>
> >>>>I realize you've been in touch with Graham, and he's
> forwarded your
> >>>>questions to others in the OASIS Open CSA Member Section.
> >>>>
> >>>>Regards,
> >>>>Carol
> >>>>
> >>>>_________________________________
> >>>>Carol Geyer
> >>>>Director of Communications
> >>>>OASIS
> >>>>+1.978.667.5115 x209
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> "Daniel Pieper"
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>To
> >>
> >>
> >>>> <daniel.pieper@t-
> >>>> online.de>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>cc
> >>
> >>
> >>>> 31/10/2007 00:40
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>bcc
> >>
> >>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>Subject
> >>
> >>
> >>>> This document [osoa contact] Business
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>Enquiry
> >>
> >>
> >>>> expires on from www.osoa.org web site
> >>>> 29/01/2008
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Hello,
> >>>>
> >>>>first of all congratulations for the good work done so far in the
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >
> >
> >
> >>>>SCA and SDO specs.
> >>>>In our daily work we see a strong need for programming models
> >>>>leveraging the SOA principles and so we believe SCA and SDO to be
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >
> >
> >
> >>>>one of the coming technologies to consider. Because of the
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >current
> >
> >
> >>>>lack of literature explaining the principles behind and the use
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >of
> >
> >
> >>>>these two standards (and their current implementations) we are
> >>>>considering to write a book ourselves.
> >>>>
> >>>>We have done so in the past in exploring the world of MDA
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>(Röttgers,
> >>
> >>
> >>>>Pieper: MDA, Springer 2006) which to date is only available in
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>German.
> >>
> >>
> >>>>Having made this experience before we know that writing something
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >
> >
> >
> >>>>about a standard is only possible if support and latest (insider)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >
> >
> >
> >>>>information from the standardizing committee is available and
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>granted.
> >>
> >>
> >>>>Considering a Go/No-Go we have the following questions:
> >>>>- Does OSOA support this kind of "external" literature?
> >>>>- If so, which information and personal support could you (would
> >>>>you) offer?
> >>>>- Are there already other publications underway of which you
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >know?
> >
> >
> >>>>- Which publisher would you recommend?
> >>>>- Who is the direct contact for this type of questions?
> >>>>
> >>>>The focus of our work is not the profit but help in our daily
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >work
> >
> >
> >>>>with this new technology for us and our clients. Strong
> focus would
> >>>>be in the OSS implementations. If supported we would like
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >to
> >
> >
> >>>>open all chapters for public review before going to print to give
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >
> >
> >
> >>>>the most coherent and complete information possible.
> >>>>
> >>>>If you have further questions please don't hesitate to contact
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >us:
> >
> >
> >>>>daniel.pieper@t-online.de OR carsten.roettgers@gmx.net
> >>>>
> >>>>Thank you in advance and best regards,
> >>>>
> >>>>Daniel, Carsten
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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