Confirmation of meeting on November 5th, and draft minutes of previous meeting

[Nick Crossley <ncrossley@us.ibm.com>]

This is to confirm that we will have a meeting of the OASIS OSLC CCM TC this week, on Thursday November 5th at 7am US/Pacific.

The agenda is:

1 Roll Call
2 Scribe nomination
3 Review minutes of previous meeting
4 Core and ReSpec update
5 Any other business
6 Adjourn

The draft minutes of the previous meeting on Oct 8th are available at https://wiki.oasis-open.org/oslc-ccm/Meetings/Telecon2015.10.08, and are also included below.

Nick.

Minutes
Chat transcript from room: oslc-ccm 2015-10-08 GMT-08:00
[07:07] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Martin volunteers to be scribe
[07:07] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Attendance: Brian Steele (IBM) David Honey (IBM) Jim Amsden (IBM) Martin Sarabura (PTC) Nick Crossley (IBM)
[07:07] Nick Crossley (IBM): Brian - see you in the chat window, but not on the phone call?
[07:08] Brian Steele (IBM): Previous call running long, will join in 1 min
[07:08] Nick Crossley (IBM): Previous meeting minutes at https://wiki.oasis-open.org/oslc-ccm/Meetings/Telecon2015.09.24
[07:09] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Minutes accepted

Topic: Core update
[07:10] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Merged vocabularies into a common vocabulary document - called core vocabulary
[07:11] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Some additional merging questions
[07:13] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Some resource shapes had oslc:name property - but not in original spec
[07:14] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Should that have been dcterms:title?
[07:15] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Nick: May be covered by existing properties
[07:16] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Nick: Just going off oslc v2 core spec
[07:17] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Committing to branch but something has been changed? Need to pull from branch - from directory not just files
[07:17] Martin Sarabura (PTC): From parent directory
[07:18] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Jim: Can we do a force commit?
[07:18] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Nick: There were some unresolved conflicts - seeing a diff indicating conflict
[07:20] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Topic for core next week: issue around shape uris
[07:20] Martin Sarabura (PTC): oslc v2 assumed that tools would just produce shapes - nobody had specified how to do shapes in core
[07:21] Martin Sarabura (PTC): issue 25
[07:21] Martin Sarabura (PTC): from core

Next topic: ReSpec
[07:22] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Issues with browser compatibility
[07:23] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Needed changes to fix citation block
[07:23] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Nick: Found two errors which caused it to break in some browsers, some minor formatting issues
[07:24] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Submitted request to Steve Speicher, no response yet
[07:25] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Chet said he would handle some of that for us? Manually, not through respec
[07:26] Martin Sarabura (PTC): If published doc respec has problems - seems to be fragile - is it good enough to publish a pdf instead?
[07:27] Martin Sarabura (PTC): The doc we work on is completely different from what is actually published
[07:28] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Don't want subsequent editors to work on published document as starting point
[07:28] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Need to talk to Chet. If they are not willing/able to take on ReSpec then the TCs may have to.
[07:29] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Nick: OASIS likely willing to host ReSpec but not necessarily technical ownership
[07:29] Martin Sarabura (PTC): If other TCs want to use it then it makes sense for them to take ownership
[07:30] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Can they manage repository and allow contributors to make their own contributions
[07:32] Martin Sarabura (PTC): David: Need a way to save the DOM - which could have browser incompatibilities
[07:32] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Jim: _javascript_ more likely the problem than the html
[07:34] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Nick: Generating HTML probably difficult and would probably not fix the incompatibility issues. Only generated form we could create is pdf
[07:34] David Honey (IBM): http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4498122/how-to-save-dynamicly-changed-byjquery-html-dom
[07:34] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Nick: Respec is the published document, or pdf
[07:35] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Martin: pdf doesn't play nice with search engines
[07:36] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Nick: stackoverflow recommendation may not solve the problem
[07:37] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Only thing we see breaking is the generated shape tables
[07:38] Martin Sarabura (PTC): W3C had no equivalent code - based on xslt code that Nick had written with Arthur Ryman
[07:40] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Nick: I am the de-facto owner of the oasis-specific respec code
[07:40] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Nick: Unlikely oasis will want to take technical ownership
[07:41] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Jim: OK with it being an open source project, may be best solution for oasis
[07:42] Martin Sarabura (PTC): David: Need to encourage participants to commit resources to do it
[07:42] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Nick: Steve's ReSpec is a clone of the w3c respec
[07:43] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Nick's is a clone of Steve's
[07:44] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Jim: Raised some issues previously: Committee note on business case, could be motivation section of intro doc

Next topic: Additional work products for ccm spec
[07:45] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Related to another topic: More info on use cases
[07:46] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Business cases on open-services.net may be out of date and perhaps incomplete
[07:46] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Jim: Also some use cases from Interconnect
[07:46] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Don't really describe the user's interaction with the system - so not really use cases
[07:47] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Nick: Should udpate overall plan with expected deliverables
[07:47] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Jim: Should they be in committee note, or wiki, or both?
[07:48] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Nick: We are doing a primer anyway - maybe combined with motivation section - would be enough
[07:49] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Nick: Not against committee note, just need a bit more clarity on plan
[07:49] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Jim: Volunteer to come up with a draft motivation section of overview, also clone use cases from open-services.net and bring in Interconnect material
[07:50] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Nick: OK, need a vote since this a new contribution
[07:50] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Jim: Interconnect ideas recasted, not brought in verbatim
[07:52] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Jim: No restrictions (other than copyright) on wiki material?
[07:53] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Nick: Formal vote to accept open-services.net use cases for cm as a contribution
[07:53] Martin Sarabura (PTC): All voting members on the call
[07:53] David Honey (IBM): +1
[07:53] Martin Sarabura (PTC): +1
[07:53] Nick Crossley (IBM): +1
[07:53] Brian Steele (IBM): +1
[07:54] Jim Amsden (IBM): +1
[07:54] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Accepted

Next topic: Question to PTC: Review changes from previous minutes?
[07:56] Martin Sarabura (PTC): treatment of nested components
[07:58] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Components may be hierarchical, but spec has no opinion on semantics of the hierarchy. Defines hierarchy of configurations
[07:59] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Avoid confusion in semantics if you had two different types of hierarchies
[08:01] Martin Sarabura (PTC): This version of spec doesn't want to say how to specify versions of configurations
[08:01] Martin Sarabura (PTC): LDPCs do define structure
[08:02] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Leave door open to future definitions of structures - they could exist, nothing stopping tool from having additional properties
[08:03] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Martin: Acceptable to PTC
[08:03] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Any other business?
[08:03] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Meeting adjourned

Action Items
[07:55] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Nick: Action item to review schedule in light of current progress, respec, these new work products
[07:55] Martin Sarabura (PTC): and publish update