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Subject: RE: [oslc-domains] [OSLC Domains] Actions on the TC reviews


Jad,
Adding my comments below in green

Jim Amsden, Senior Technical Staff Member
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From:        Jad El-Khoury <jad@kth.se>
To:        Nicholas Crossley <nick_crossley@us.ibm.com>
Cc:        "oslc-domains@lists.oasis-open.org" <oslc-domains@lists.oasis-open.org>
Date:        04/19/2018 03:58 PM
Subject:        RE: [oslc-domains] [OSLC Domains] Actions on the TC reviews
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Thanks Nick! Got it.
 
I have updated the RM document based on discussions/decisions today. We are almost done.
 
What is left? I have 2 sanity checks, 3 problems I cannot find/understand, 2 suggestions for text we need to decide if we want to introduce or not.
 
Martin! Maybe I can get your input on those?
All!  What is your input on the last 2 entries?
 
Specification:

Review CommentStatusActions left
  1. Copyright notice should be 2018
Should be produced by ReSpec
Jad: It is already “Copyright © OASIS Open 2018. All Rights Reserved.” Under the “Notices” section.Martin:
Can you identify if this is still a problem?
  1. Sec 1 4th sentence: … were created by the OSLC Domains TC.
Jad: I did the suggested change, but not closed yet.
 
 
Martin:
A sanity check: the scenarios and specs were created under open-services (not exactly this domains TC). Is it still OK to take the suggested text?
  • Terminology section should be marked Non-normative and maybe use same formatting as in https://tools.oasis-open.org/version-control/browse/wsvn/oslc-core/trunk/specs/config/oslc-config-mgt.html#terminology?I think the convention is that every non-normative sections should be marked as such. We may have treated nested sections of non-normative sections as non-normative, but perhaps we shouldn't do that. A non-normative section could contain a normative subsection, and there's no way to indicate that other than by not including the non-normative tag.
  • Jad: A change is done, but not closed yet
     
     
    Martin:
    Sanity check: The whole of Introduction section is marked non-normative. If we only mark Terminology as non-normamtive, what does this mean for the other subsections? ConfigMangement also only mark some subsections as non-normative.
     
     

     
    Vocabulary:

    Review CommentStatusActions left
    1. Use a more current date under the title?
    Positioning of the date is governed by OASIS publishing guidelines. Generally ReSpec puts in the right place. The actual date value is based on the document state and when it is published, or when votes are taken to change state.
     Martin:
    Can you please clarify? I think the date is automated.
    1. Same notes re status, copyright notice
    I thought this was covered by ReSpec
    Jad:
    * Status text is not controlled by the RM document.
    * It is already “Copyright © OASIS Open 2018. All Rights Reserved.” Under the “Notices” section. Any other place you are referring to?
    Martin:
    Can you identify if this is still a problem?
    1. Shouldn’t we have a non-normative recommendation for how to represent a tree structure in these collections? The only real option available here is the oslc_rm:uses property. Presumably it can include another requirements collection; thus creating a hierarchy. Since it is the only option then presumably everybody will figure that out but it’s such a common scenario (ReqIF, Integrity LM) that it seems worth mentioning – or some other approach if oslc_rm:uses is not desirable for some reason.
    RequirementCollection has the oslc_rm:uses property, so it supports hierarchies of collections. Not sure this needs further explanation. RDNG does not appear to allow collections to be added to collections.
     Martin:
    We have discussed this during a telco but don’t recall a decision.
    I suggest we don’t add such text at this stage.
     
    1. Another philosophical question, what is the granularity of Requirements Collections in relation to Service Provider (or LDPC)? I can see them being identical, or, it could be that there are many requirements collections within a given service provider. What would be our (presumably non-normative) recommendation for how to design this?
    There is no connection between service providers, LDPCs or RequirementCollection. There is no constraint that the requirements in a collection have to be from the same service provider, but I suppose they often are.
     Martin:
    We have discussed this during a telco but don’t recall a decision.
    I suggest we don’t add such text at this stage.
     

     
     
    ______________________________
    Jad El-khoury, PhD
    KTH Royal Institute of Technology
    School of Industrial Engineering and Management, Mechatronics Division
    Brinellvägen 83, SE-100 44 Stockholm, Sweden
    Phone: +46(0)8 790 6877 Mobile: +46(0)70 773 93 45
    jad@kth.se, www.kth.se
     
    From: Nicholas Crossley [mailto:nick_crossley@us.ibm.com]
    Sent:
    19 April 2018 16:55
    To:
    Jad El-Khoury <jad@kth.se>
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    Nicholas Crossley <nick_crossley@us.ibm.com>; oslc-domains@lists.oasis-open.org
    Subject:
    RE: [oslc-domains] [OSLC Domains] Actions on the TC reviews

     
    I meant that I believe the original text was intended to be 'posed'. With an inanimate 'solution component' as the thing doing the posing, there is not much difference between 'imposed' and 'posed', and 'imposed' is both more common and consistent with the usage later in the sentence.

    Nick.




    From:        
    Jad El-Khoury <jad@kth.se>
    To:        
    Nicholas Crossley <nick_crossley@us.ibm.com>
    Cc:        
    "oslc-domains@lists.oasis-open.org" <oslc-domains@lists.oasis-open.org>
    Date:        
    04/19/2018 04:53 AM
    Subject:        
    RE: [oslc-domains] [OSLC Domains] Actions on the TC reviews
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    Thanks Nick

     
    with “I read this as 'posed'”, I assume you mean I read this as 'imposed', right? Your suggested text says ‘imposed”, so wondering which you meant.

     
    I will otherwise also take it your other suggested changed. But won’t have time to introduce them before our telco today

     
    /Jad

     
     
    From:
    Nicholas Crossley [
    mailto:nick_crossley@us.ibm.com]
    Sent:
    Thursday, 19 April 2018 00:53
    To:
    Jad El-Khoury <
    jad@kth.se>
    Cc:
    oslc-domains@lists.oasis-open.org
    Subject:
    Re: [oslc-domains] [OSLC Domains] Actions on the TC reviews

     
    Jad,

    Here are my comments:

    It is perfectly acceptable for us to correct, expand, or clarify descriptions of existing vocabulary terms, properties in shapes, etc. - in fact, we have done so for Core 3.0 in several areas. We can also (of course) add new terms. We cannot remove existing terms, and we should not completely change the meaning of an existing term.

    In the new text about relationship properties and the reification technique, personally I would prefer to see some form of caution about the security/access concern - perhaps along these lines:

    Implementers should take care that including the label or other properties of the target of a relationship within the RDF published for the source of that relationship does not expose data to which the reader should not have access.

    However, I do not feel strongly enough about this to insist on such a change.

    "possed by a solution component" - I read this as 'posed'. Since we also use 'impose' later in the description, I suggest we be consistent and use that here, so the full text would read:

    A condition or capability needed by a stakeholder, or imposed by a solution component, to address a need, solve a problem, achieve an objective, satisfy a contract, standard, specification, or other formally imposed documents.

    Nick.



    From:        
    Jad El-Khoury <jad@kth.se>
    To:        
    "oslc-domains@lists.oasis-open.org" <oslc-domains@lists.oasis-open.org>
    Date:        
    04/03/2018 03:49 PM
    Subject:        
    [oslc-domains] [OSLC Domains] Actions on the TC reviews
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    Dear all,

    I have now made the suggested changes to the RM specs, raised from the latest discussion on “Reified relationships in RM domain”.

    I order to finalize the review comments I received from Martin & Mark, I would love to get your input on some of the remaining issues.

    Martin, Mark, Jim & Nick!

    Can I ask for your input on specific comments raised in the document
    https://github.com/oasis-tcs/oslc-domains/blob/master/rm/OSLC%20RM%20TC%20Reviews.docx
    It is also attached for your convenience.

    I have tagged each row where I need your input with your name.
    Please feel free to simply add your respond in that same column “action left” and I can take it from there.

    Otherwise, the only remaining issue that we are awaiting a decision from the Core TC relates to “resource formats” (rdf/xml, turtle).

    regards
    ______________________________
    Jad El-khoury, PhD
    KTH Royal Institute of Technology
    School of Industrial Engineering and Management, Mechatronics Division
    Brinellvägen 83, SE-100 44 Stockholm, Sweden
    Phone: +46(0)8 790 6877 Mobile: +46(0)70 773 93 45

    jad@kth.se, www.kth.se
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