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Also document properties do not apply to files (digital/hardcopy files) =
since
they are not subtypes of product & do not have am associated definition, =
but
cannot use the existing capability because the =
property_assignment_select type
does not include files. In fact it only includes one of the 18 possible =
types,
which means potentially another 17 capabilities to cover all!=20
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Documents could be covered by adding one subtype to the existing =
capability
(assigned_document_property) & adding two items to the above mentioned =
select
type (since document_definition is not a subtype of =
product_view_definition &
files are independantly defined).
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I can create a new capability or add to existing ones but it would mean
repeating a large amount of information already within
assigning_product_properties.
regards,
Tim
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-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Bodington [mailto:rob.bodington@eurostep.com]
Sent: 29 July 2004 03:30
To: plcs-dex@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: [plcs-dex] document properties
Hi
An issue was raised against the capability: Capability (C076):-
assigning_product_properties
that we should include document properties in it.
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Given that we decided to treat product properties, resource properties =
and
activity properties as separate capabilities, and given that the =
document
property module subtypes the generic property model,=20
it seems to me that document properties should not be part of
assigning_product_properties
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Rather it should either be a separate capability or part of
representing_documents capability.
Given that you nearly always want to represent a documents properties =
whenever
you represent a document and given that document properties will never =
be used
with anything other than documents, I think that document properties =
should form
part of the representing_documents capability
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Any thoughts?
Regards
Rob
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Rob Bodington
Eurostep Limited
Web Page: <http://www.eurostep.com> http://www.eurostep.com
<http://www.share-a-space.com> http://www.share-a-space.com
Email: Rob.Bodington@eurostep.com
Phone: +44 (0)1454 270030
Mobile: +44 (0)7796 176 401
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D1 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Hi Tim</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D1 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>What long form are you looking =
at?</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D1 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Looking at the long form on =
SourceForge,:</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D1 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>stepmod/data/modules/ap239_product_li=
fe_cycle_support/arm_lf.exp</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D1 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>(<a
href=3D"http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/stepmod/stepmod/data/module=
s/ap239_product_life_cycle_support/arm_lf.exp?rev=3D1.13&view=3Dmarku=
p">http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/stepmod/stepmod/data/modules/ap2=
39_product_life_cycle_support/arm_lf.exp?rev=3D1.13&view=3Dmarkup</a>=
)</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D1 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>I see:</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D1 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'> </span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D1 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'> TYPE =
property_assignment_select =3D
SELECT (Applied_activity_assignment, Applied_activity_method_assignment, =
Applied_state_assignment,
Applied_state_definition_assignment, Breakdown_element_realization, =
Document_definition,
Envelope, Experience_instance, File, Location_assignment, =
Organization_or_person_in_organization_assignment,
Part_view_definition, Product_group_membership, Product_view_definition, =
State,
State_definition, State_definition_relationship, State_relationship, =
Task_result_state_relationship,
Task_state_relationship, Type_of_person_definition, =
View_definition_relationship);</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D1 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'> </span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D1 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>The same is present in the long form
submitted for ballot</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D1 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>WG3N1413_20040318/iso10303_239/data/m=
odules/ap239_product_life_cycle_support/arm_lf.exp</span></font></p>
<div>
<p><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:blue'>Regards<br>
Rob</span></font></p>
<p><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:blue'>------------------------------------------- =
<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Rob Bodington</span></font><font size=3D2
color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:blue'><br>
Eurostep Limited<br>
Web Page: </span></font><font color=3Dblue><span style=3D'color:blue'><a
href=3D"http://www.eurostep.com";><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>http://www.eurostep.com</span></font></a></span=
></font><font
size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:blue'> </span></font><font color=3Dblue><span =
style=3D'color:blue'><a
href=3D"http://www.share-a-space.com";><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>http://www.share-a-space.com=
</span></font></a><br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Email: Rob.Bodington@eurostep.com<br>
Phone: +44 (0)1454 270030<br>
Mobile: +44 (0)7796 176 401</span></font></p>
</div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> tim turner =
[mailto:</span></font><font
size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>timturner11@bellsouth.net</=
span></font><font
size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>]
<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 11 August 2004 =
06:06<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> '</span></font><font =
size=3D2
face=3DTahoma><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Rob
Bodington</span></font><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span lang=3DEN-US
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>'; </span></font><font =
size=3D2
face=3DTahoma><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>plcs-dex@lists.oasis-open.o=
rg</span></font><font
size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> </span></font><font =
size=3D2
face=3DTahoma><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>timturner11@bellsouth.net</=
span></font><font
size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [plcs-dex] =
document
properties issues?</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><strong><b><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Rob and =
others,</span></font></b></strong></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'> </span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><strong><b><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>1.</span></font><=
/b></strong><font
size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:blue'> <strong><b><font face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-family:Arial'>
Module ISO/TS 10303-1126:2004 (</span></font></b></strong>Document =
properties) <strong><b><font
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-family:Arial'>states;</span></font></b></strong></span></fo=
nt></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>The <b><span =
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>document_property_item</span></b>
type is an extension of the <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'><a
href=3D"file:///C:\data\LSCProjects\PLCS\modules\stepmod\data\modules\pro=
perty_assignment\sys\4_info_reqs.xml#property_assignment_arm.property_ass=
ignment_select">property_assignment_select</a></span></b>
type. It adds the data types <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'><a
href=3D"file:///C:\data\LSCProjects\PLCS\modules\stepmod\data\modules\doc=
ument_definition\sys\4_info_reqs.xml#document_definition_arm.document_def=
inition">Document_definition</a></span></b>
and <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'><a
href=3D"file:///C:\data\LSCProjects\PLCS\modules\stepmod\data\modules\fil=
e_identification\sys\4_info_reqs.xml#file_identification_arm.file">File</=
a></span></b>
to the list of alternate data types. However, this type is actually =
not
present in the PLCS longform as on stepmod at present, or in any =
previous
version I can find. The document_definition and file entity objects =
required
for document properties are present in the parent object =
though. </span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'> </span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Has the former now been dropped =
from PLCS?
Which is supposed to be used?</span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'> </span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>I presume this is/was either an =
issue
against the module or against the PLCS model. </span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'> </span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><strong><b><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>2.</span></font><=
/b></strong><font
size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:blue'> With respect to the ongoing discussion; if document =
properties are
not to be included in </span></font><strong><b><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblue
face=3DVerdana><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:blue'>C076
assigning_product_properties,</span></font></b></strong><font size=3D2
color=3Dblue face=3DVerdana><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;
color:blue'> then can I suggest that the introduction is misleading as =
it
states "</span></font><font color=3Dblue face=3DVerdana><span
style=3D'font-family:Verdana;color:blue'>The purpose of the =
"Assigning
Properties to Products" capability is to describe how properties =
are assigned
to products and their <strong><b><font face=3DVerdana><span =
style=3D'font-family:
Verdana'>subtypes</span></font></b></strong>". It then gives two =
examples,
but is clearly not definitive as to what subtypes are or are not within =
scope.</span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'> </span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>regards,</span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Tim</span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original =
Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> tim turner
[mailto:timturner11@bellsouth.net]<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 10 August 2004 =
18:48<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'Rob Bodington';
plcs-dex@lists.oasis-open.org<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [plcs-dex] =
document
properties</span></font></p>
</div>
<blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Apologies for the late reply =
Rob,</span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>From another view, document is a =
type of
product and as such should therefore, be handled by this capability =
rather than
creating or enlarging the scope of other capabilities that are already
becomming too large. </span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Also document properties do =
not apply
to files (digital/hardcopy files) since they are not subtypes of product =
&
do not have am associated definition, but cannot use the existing =
capability
because the property_assignment_select type does not include files. In =
fact it
only includes one of the 18 possible types, which means potentially =
another 17
capabilities to cover all! </span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Documents could be covered by =
adding one
subtype to the existing capability =
(assigned_document_property) &
adding two items to the above mentioned select type (since =
document_definition
is not a subtype of product_view_definition & files are =
independantly defined).</span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>I can create a new capability or =
add to
existing ones but it would mean repeating a large amount of =
information
already within assigning_product_properties.</span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'><br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:blue'>regards,</span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Tim</span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'> </span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> -----Original =
Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Rob Bodington
[mailto:rob.bodington@eurostep.com]<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 29 July 2004 =
03:30<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
plcs-dex@lists.oasis-open.org<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [plcs-dex] =
document
properties</span></font></p>
</div>
<blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D1 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Hi</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D1 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>An issue was raised against the capability: =
</span></font><b><font
size=3D2 face=3DVerdana><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Verdana;
font-weight:bold'>Capability (C076):— =
assigning_product_properties</span></font></b></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D1 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>that we should include document properties in =
it.</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D1 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Given that we decided to treat product properties, =
resource
properties and activity properties as separate capabilities, and given =
that the
document property module subtypes the generic property model, =
</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D1 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>it seems to me that document properties should =
not be
part of assigning_product_properties</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D1 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Rather it should either be a separate capability or =
part of
representing_documents capability.</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D1 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Given that you nearly always want to represent a =
documents
properties whenever you represent a document and given that document =
properties
will never be used with anything other than documents, I think that =
document
properties should form part of the representing_documents =
capability</span></font></p>
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12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D1 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Any thoughts?</span></font></p>
<p><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Regards<br>
Rob</span></font></p>
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>----------------------------=
--------------- <br>
Rob Bodington<br>
Eurostep Limited<br>
Web Page: </span></font><a href=3D"http://www.eurostep.com";><font =
size=3D2
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>http://www.eurostep.com</spa=
n></font></a><font
size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> </span></font><a
href=3D"http://www.share-a-space.com";><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>http://www.share-a-space.com=
</span></font></a><br>
<font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Email:
Rob.Bodington@eurostep.com<br>
Phone: +44 (0)1454 270030<br>
Mobile: +44 (0)7796 176 401</span></font></p>
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