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Also document properties do not apply to files (digital/hardcopy files)
since they are not subtypes of product & do not have am associated
definition, but cannot use the existing capability because the
property_assignment_select type does not include files. In fact it only
includes one of the 18 possible types, which means potentially another =
17
capabilities to cover all!=20

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Documents could be covered by adding one subtype to the existing =
capability
(assigned_document_property) & adding two items to the above mentioned
select type (since document_definition is not a subtype of
product_view_definition & files are independantly defined).

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I can create a new capability or add to existing ones but it would mean
repeating a large amount of information already within
assigning_product_properties.


regards,

Tim

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 -----Original Message-----
From: Rob Bodington [mailto:rob.bodington@eurostep.com]
Sent: 29 July 2004 03:30
To: plcs-dex@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: [plcs-dex] document properties

Hi

An issue was raised against the capability: Capability (C076):-
assigning_product_properties

that we should include document properties in it.

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Given that we decided to treat product properties, resource properties =
and
activity properties as separate capabilities, and given that the =
document
property module subtypes the generic property model,=20

it seems to me that  document properties should not be part of
assigning_product_properties

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Rather it should either be a separate capability or part of
representing_documents capability.

Given that you nearly always want to represent a documents properties
whenever you represent a document and given that document properties =
will
never be used with anything other than documents, I think that document
properties should form part of the representing_documents capability

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Any thoughts?

Regards
Rob

-------------------------------------------  =20
Rob Bodington
Eurostep Limited
Web Page:  <http://www.eurostep.com> http://www.eurostep.com
<http://www.share-a-space.com> http://www.share-a-space.com
Email: Rob.Bodington@eurostep.com
Phone: +44 (0)1454 270030
Mobile: +44 (0)7796 176 401

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style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>As the majority of &#8220;PLCS =
Products&#8221;
are not documents, I&#8217;d vote for a separate document_property =
capability.
That seems to follow the strategy already in place as =
well.</span></font></p>

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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>David</span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Rob Bodington
[mailto:rob.bodington@eurostep.com] <br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 11 August 2004 =
08:28<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
timturner11@bellsouth.net;
plcs-dex@lists.oasis-open.org<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [plcs-dex] =
document
properties issues?</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D1 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Hi Tim</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D1 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>My inclination is still to have a =
separate
capability for document properties &#8211; either as a separate =
capability or
part of the representing_documents capability.</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D1 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D1 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>We had exactly the same discussion =
for
process and resource properties and it was concluded that we should =
split the
properties capability into separate capabilities:</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D1 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>assigning_process_properties</span></=
font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D1 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>assigning_resource_properties</span><=
/font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D1 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D1 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Agreed that document is a subtype of
product, however, if you look at the module, you will see that subtyping =
has
been used to indicate that the document propeorties are =
different.</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D1 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D1 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>So if we include the document =
properties in
with product properties then any DEX that is just dealing with parts =
will get
the document properties as well. Not sure that this is a good =
idea.</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D1 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

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style=3D'font-size:
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D1 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>What does everyone else =
think?</span></font></p>

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<p><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:blue'>Regards<br>
Rob</span></font></p>

<p><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:blue'>-------------------------------------------&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;<br>
Rob Bodington<br>
Eurostep Limited<br>
Web Page: </span></font><font color=3Dblue><span style=3D'color:blue'><a
href=3D"http://www.eurostep.com";><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>http://www.eurostep.com</span></font></a></span=
></font><font
size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:blue'> </span></font><font color=3Dblue><span =
style=3D'color:blue'><a
href=3D"http://www.share-a-space.com";><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>http://www.share-a-space.com=
</span></font></a><br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Email: Rob.Bodington@eurostep.com<br>
Phone: +44 (0)1454 270030<br>
Mobile: +44 (0)7796 176 401</span></font></p>

</div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> tim turner
[mailto:timturner11@bellsouth.net] <br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 11 August 2004 =
06:06<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'Rob Bodington';
plcs-dex@lists.oasis-open.org<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> =
timturner11@bellsouth.net<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [plcs-dex] =
document
properties issues?</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><strong><b><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Rob and =
others,</span></font></b></strong></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><strong><b><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>1.</span></font><=
/b></strong><font
size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:blue'>&nbsp;<strong><b><font face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-family:Arial'>
Module ISO/TS 10303-1126:2004 (</span></font></b></strong>Document =
properties) <strong><b><font
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-family:Arial'>states;</span></font></b></strong></span></fo=
nt></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>The <b><span =
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>document_property_item</span></b>
type is an extension of the <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'><a
href=3D"file:///C:\data\LSCProjects\PLCS\modules\stepmod\data\modules\pro=
perty_assignment\sys\4_info_reqs.xml#property_assignment_arm.property_ass=
ignment_select">property_assignment_select</a></span></b>
type. It adds the data types <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'><a
href=3D"file:///C:\data\LSCProjects\PLCS\modules\stepmod\data\modules\doc=
ument_definition\sys\4_info_reqs.xml#document_definition_arm.document_def=
inition">Document_definition</a></span></b>
and <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'><a
href=3D"file:///C:\data\LSCProjects\PLCS\modules\stepmod\data\modules\fil=
e_identification\sys\4_info_reqs.xml#file_identification_arm.file">File</=
a></span></b>
to the list of alternate data types.&nbsp;However, this type is actually =
not
present in the PLCS longform as on stepmod at present, or in any =
previous
version I can find. The document_definition and file entity objects =
required
for document properties are present in the parent object =
though.&nbsp;</span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Has the former now been dropped =
from PLCS?
Which is supposed to be used?</span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>I presume this is/was either an =
issue
against the module or against the PLCS model. </span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><strong><b><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>2.</span></font><=
/b></strong><font
size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:blue'> With respect to the ongoing discussion; if document =
properties are
not to be included in </span></font><strong><b><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblue
face=3DVerdana><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:blue'>C076
assigning_product_properties,</span></font></b></strong><font size=3D2
color=3Dblue face=3DVerdana><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;
color:blue'> then can I suggest that the introduction is misleading as =
it
states &quot;</span></font><font color=3Dblue face=3DVerdana><span
style=3D'font-family:Verdana;color:blue'>The purpose of the =
&quot;Assigning
Properties to Products&quot; capability is to describe how properties =
are
assigned to products and their <strong><b><font face=3DVerdana><span
style=3D'font-family:Verdana'>subtypes</span></font></b></strong>&quot;. =
It then gives
two examples, but is clearly not definitive as to what subtypes are or =
are not
within scope.</span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>regards,</span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Tim</span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original =
Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> tim turner
[mailto:timturner11@bellsouth.net]<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 10 August 2004 =
18:48<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'Rob Bodington';
plcs-dex@lists.oasis-open.org<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [plcs-dex] =
document
properties</span></font></p>

</div>

<blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Apologies for the late reply =
Rob,</span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>From another view, document is a =
type of
product and as such should therefore, be handled by this capability =
rather than
creating or enlarging the scope of other capabilities that are already
becomming too large.&nbsp;</span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Also&nbsp;document properties do =
not apply
to files (digital/hardcopy files) since they are not subtypes of product =
&amp;
do not have am associated definition, but cannot use the existing =
capability
because the property_assignment_select type does not include files. In =
fact it
only includes one of the 18 possible types, which means potentially =
another 17
capabilities to cover all!&nbsp;</span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Documents could be covered by =
adding one
subtype to the existing capability =
(assigned_document_property)&nbsp;&amp;
adding two items to the above mentioned select type (since =
document_definition
is not a subtype of product_view_definition &amp; files are =
independantly
defined).</span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>I can create a new capability or =
add to
existing ones but&nbsp;it would mean repeating a large amount of =
information
already&nbsp;within assigning_product_properties.</span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'><br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:blue'>regards,</span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Tim</span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>&nbsp;-----Original =
Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Rob Bodington
[mailto:rob.bodington@eurostep.com]<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 29 July 2004 =
03:30<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
plcs-dex@lists.oasis-open.org<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [plcs-dex] =
document
properties</span></font></p>

</div>

<blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D1 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Hi</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D1 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>An issue was raised against the capability: =
</span></font><b><font
size=3D2 face=3DVerdana><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Verdana;
font-weight:bold'>Capability (C076):&#8212; =
assigning_product_properties</span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D1 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>that we should include document properties in =
it.</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D1 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Given that we decided to treat product properties, =
resource
properties and activity properties as separate capabilities, and given =
that the
document property module subtypes the generic property model, =
</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D1 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>it seems to me that&nbsp; document properties should =
not be
part of assigning_product_properties</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D1 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Rather it should either be a separate capability or =
part of
representing_documents capability.</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D1 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Given that you nearly always want to represent a =
documents
properties whenever you represent a document and given that document =
properties
will never be used with anything other than documents, I think that =
document
properties should form part of the representing_documents =
capability</span></font></p>

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style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D1 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Any thoughts?</span></font></p>

<p><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Regards<br>
Rob</span></font></p>

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