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=0D
Also document properties do not apply to files (digital/hardcopy files)=
since they are not subtypes of product & do not have am associated=
definition, but cannot use the existing capability because the=
property_assignment_select type does not include files. In fact it only=
includes one of the 18 possible types, which means potentially another 17=
capabilities to cover all!=0D
=0D
Documents could be covered by adding one subtype to the existing capability=
(assigned_document_property) & adding two items to the above mentioned=
select type (since document_definition is not a subtype of=
product_view_definition & files are independantly defined).
=0D
I can create a new capability or add to existing ones but it would mean=
repeating a large amount of information already within=
assigning_product_properties.
regards,
Tim
=0D
-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Bodington [mailto:rob.bodington@eurostep.com]
Sent: 29 July 2004 03:30
To: plcs-dex@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: [plcs-dex] document properties
Hi
An issue was raised against the capability: Capability (C076):-=
assigning_product_properties
that we should include document properties in it.
=0D
Given that we decided to treat product properties, resource properties and=
activity properties as separate capabilities, and given that the document=
property module subtypes the generic property model,=0D
it seems to me that document properties should not be part of=
assigning_product_properties
=0D
Rather it should either be a separate capability or part of=
representing_documents capability.
Given that you nearly always want to represent a documents properties=
whenever you represent a document and given that document properties will=
never be used with anything other than documents, I think that document=
properties should form part of the representing_documents capability
=0D
Any thoughts?
Regards
Rob
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Rob Bodington
Eurostep Limited
Web Page: <http://www.eurostep.com> http://www.eurostep.com =
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Email: Rob.Bodington@eurostep.com
Phone: +44 (0)1454 270030
Mobile: +44 (0)7796 176 401
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D852555209-13082004><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff=
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to stir things up a little:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D852555209-13082004><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff=
size=3D2>A=0D
document is not a product in the sense of the definition of something made.=
=0D
Rather it is a configuration concept for something that is semantically=
opaque,=0D
as opposed to the STEP concept of product, which allows for some level of=0D
semantic understanding of what is defined. (E.g. the control of a (paper)=0D
drawing and the control of the geometric model of the thing drawn are both=
=0D
covered by STEP, but only the latter can be read in to a CAD tool.) Making=
a=0D
document a subtype of product reflects the approach which uses the type=
Product=0D
as the abstract concept "thing" rather than saying that document is a=
product in=0D
the same way that a part or a system breakdown are products. That is, the=0D
subtyping of document as product is a result of implementation=0D
bias.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D852555209-13082004><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff=
size=3D2>Hence,=0D
document properties ought to be kept quite separate from product=0D
properties.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D852555209-13082004><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff=0D
size=3D2>Historical note: the only product property allowed in AP 203 was=
"shape",=0D
and AP 203 gave the impression that this was the only meaning of=0D
property.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<P><FONT size=3D2>Sean Barker<BR>ATC Filton<BR>0117 302 8184 </FONT></P>
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[mailto:thomas.e.hendrix@boeing.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> 11 August 2004=0D
17:16<BR><B>To:</B> timturner11@bellsouth.net; Rob Bodington;=0D
plcs-dex@lists.oasis-open.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [plcs-dex] document=
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D677534215-11082004><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff=
size=3D2>I=0D
agree that arguably this an issue. But, would such a change=
require=0D
some change in the mim - and hence in=0D
product_data_management_mim_lf?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV></DIV>
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr align=
=3Dleft><FONT=0D
face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> tim=
turner=0D
[mailto:timturner11@bellsouth.net] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, August=
11,=0D
2004 8:01 AM<BR><B>To:</B> 'Rob Bodington'; timturner11@bellsouth.net;=
=0D
plcs-dex@lists.oasis-open.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [plcs-dex]=
document=0D
properties issues?<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D665365614-11082004><FONT face=3DArial color=
=3D#0000ff=0D
size=3D2>Yes, in fact I think it was because I couldn't see this=
extended=0D
select type (from the Express) that I assumed C076 should take care of=
=0D
documents since that capability already refers to the <SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><FONT face=3D"Courier New"=0D
color=3D#000000>property_assignment_select you mention.=0D
</FONT></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D665365614-11082004><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=
=3D#000000=0D
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE:=
10pt"></SPAN></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D665365614-11082004><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=
=3D#000000=0D
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Who is collecting the SEDS so=
I can=0D
pass this on?</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D665365614-11082004><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=
=3D#000000=0D
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE:=
10pt"></SPAN></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D665365614-11082004><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=
=3D#000000=0D
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE:=
10pt">regards,</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D665365614-11082004><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=
=3D#000000=0D
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Tim</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=
=3DTahoma=0D
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Rob Bodington=0D
[mailto:rob.bodington@eurostep.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> 11 August 2004=0D
10:41<BR><B>To:</B> timturner11@bellsouth.net;=0D
plcs-dex@lists.oasis-open.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [plcs-dex]=
document=0D
properties issues?<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=3DSection1>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D1><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Ah …=
you mean that=0D
t</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">he=
<B><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">document_property_item </SPAN></B>select=
type=0D
has been removed from the long form.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">This is=
because=0D
it is not explicitly used in the long form there SHTOLO removes=0D
it.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Arguably=
there is=0D
a bug in:</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D1><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY:=
Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><CODE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN=
=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">ENTITY=0D
Assigned_document_property</SPAN></FONT></CODE><FONT face=3D"Courier=
New"=0D
size=3D2><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><BR><CODE><FONT=
=0D
face=3D"Courier New"> SUBTYPE OF (<A=0D
href=
=3D"file:///D:\users\rbn\projects\sforge\stepmod\data\modules\property_assi=
gnment\sys\4_info_reqs.xml#property_assignment_arm.assigned_property">Assig=
ned_property</A>);</FONT></CODE><BR><CODE><FONT=0D
face=3D"Courier New">DERIVE</FONT></CODE><BR><CODE><FONT=0D
face=3D"Courier New"> SELF\<A=0D
href=
=3D"file:///D:\users\rbn\projects\sforge\stepmod\data\modules\property_assi=
gnment\sys\4_info_reqs.xml#property_assignment_arm.assigned_property">Assig=
ned_property</A>.name=0D
: STRING :=3D 'document property';</FONT></CODE><BR><CODE><FONT=0D
face=3D"Courier New">UNIQUE</FONT></CODE><BR><CODE><FONT=0D
face=3D"Courier New"> UR1: SELF\<A=0D
href=
=3D"file:///D:\users\rbn\projects\sforge\stepmod\data\modules\property_assi=
gnment\sys\4_info_reqs.xml#property_assignment_arm.assigned_property">Assig=
ned_property</A>.described_element;</FONT></CODE><BR><CODE><FONT=0D
face=3D"Courier New">WHERE</FONT></CODE><BR><CODE><FONT=0D
face=3D"Courier New"> WR1:=0D
SIZEOF(['DOCUMENT_PROPERTIES_ARM.DOCUMENT_DEFINITION',=0D
=
'DOCUMENT_PROPERTIES_ARM.FILE']*TYPEOF(SELF\Assigned_property.described_el=
ement))=0D
=3D 1;</FONT></CODE><BR><CODE><FONT=0D
face=3D"Courier New">END_ENTITY;</FONT></CODE></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D1><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY:=
Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D1><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">It should=0D
redeclare </SPAN></FONT><CODE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=
=3D2><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Assigned_property.described_element=0D
</SPAN></FONT></CODE><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D1><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">to be a=0D
document_property_item otherwise I think, that you can assign a=
=0D
document property to the population of </SPAN></FONT><CODE><FONT=0D
face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE:=
10pt">property_assignment_select</SPAN></FONT></CODE></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D1><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY:=
Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D1><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The=
Document=0D
properties is a PDM module, published as a TS ISO/TS 10303-1126:2004=
=0D
</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D1><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY:=
Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D1><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I presume=
that=0D
means you need to raise it as SEDS or a TC against that=0D
module.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<DIV>
<P><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY:=
Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY:=
Arial">Regards<BR>Rob</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY:=
Arial">------------------------------------------- <BR></=
SPAN></FONT><FONT=0D
face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Rob=0D
Bodington</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=
=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY:=
Arial"><BR>Eurostep=0D
Limited<BR>Web Page: </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblue><SPAN=0D
style=3D"COLOR: blue"><A href=3D"http://www.eurostep.com";><FONT face=
=3DArial=0D
size=3D2><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:=
Arial">http://www.eurostep.com</SPAN></FONT></A></SPAN></FONT><FONT=0D
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblue><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: blue"><A=0D
href=3D"http://www.share-a-space.com";><FONT face=3DArial size=
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Arial">http://www.share-a-space.com</SPAN></FONT></A><BR></SPAN></FONT><FO=
NT=0D
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Email:=0D
Rob.Bodington@eurostep.com<BR>Phone: +44 (0)1454 270030<BR>Mobile:=
+44=0D
(0)7796 176 401</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN lang=3DEN-US=
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original=0D
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B>=
tim=0D
turner [mailto:</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN lang=
=3DEN-US=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:=
Tahoma">timturner11@bellsouth.net</SPAN></FONT><FONT=0D
face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN lang=3DEN-US=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">] <BR><B><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> 11 August 2004=0D
15:30<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>=0D
'</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN lang=3DEN-US=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Rob=0D
Bodington</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN lang=
=3DEN-US=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">'; </SPAN></FONT><FONT=
=0D
face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN lang=3DEN-US=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:=
Tahoma">plcs-dex@lists.oasis-open.org</SPAN></FONT><FONT=0D
face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN lang=3DEN-US=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><BR><B><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=
=3DTahoma=0D
size=3D2><SPAN lang=3DEN-US=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:=
Tahoma">timturner11@bellsouth.net</SPAN></FONT><FONT=0D
face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN lang=3DEN-US=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><BR><B><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: [plcs-dex]=
document=0D
properties issues?</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sorry for=
any=0D
misunderstanding, I was talking about the <B><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">document_property_item </SPAN></B>select=
type=0D
which is present in the module but not the 239=0D
longform.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=
=3D2><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue;=
FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The=0D
longform is the same as yours.</SPAN></FONT></B> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=
=3D2><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue;=
FONT-FAMILY: Arial">regards,</SPAN></FONT></B></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=
=3D2><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue;=
FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Tim</SPAN></FONT></B></P></DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><FONT face=
=3DTahoma=0D
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:=
Tahoma">-----Original=0D
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT:=
bold">From:</SPAN></B> Rob=0D
Bodington [mailto:rob.bodington@eurostep.com]<BR><B><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> 11 August 2004=0D
02:37<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>=0D
timturner11@bellsouth.net;=
plcs-dex@lists.oasis-open.org<BR><B><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: [plcs-dex]=
document=0D
properties issues?</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D1><SPAN=
=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hi=0D
Tim</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D1><SPAN=
=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">What long=
form=0D
are you looking at?</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D1><SPAN=
=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Looking=
at the=0D
long form on SourceForge,:</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D1><SPAN=
=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY:=
Arial">stepmod/data/modules/ap239_product_life_cycle_support/arm_lf.exp</S=
PAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D1><SPAN=
=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">(<A=0D
href=
=3D"http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/stepmod/stepmod/data/modules/ap23=
9_product_life_cycle_support/arm_lf.exp?rev=3D1.13&view=
=3Dmarkup">http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/stepmod/stepmod/data/modul=
es/ap239_product_life_cycle_support/arm_lf.exp?rev=3D1.13&view=
=3Dmarkup</A>=0D
)</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D1><SPAN=
=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I=0D
see:</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=
=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D1><SPAN=
=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> =
TYPE=0D
property_assignment_select =3D SELECT (Applied_activity_assignment,=
=0D
Applied_activity_method_assignment, Applied_state_assignment,=0D
Applied_state_definition_assignment, Breakdown_element_realization,=
=0D
Document_definition, Envelope, Experience_instance, File,=0D
Location_assignment,=
Organization_or_person_in_organization_assignment,=0D
Part_view_definition, Product_group_membership,=
Product_view_definition,=0D
State, State_definition, State_definition_relationship,=0D
State_relationship, Task_result_state_relationship,=0D
Task_state_relationship, Type_of_person_definition,=0D
View_definition_relationship);</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=
=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D1><SPAN=
=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The same=
is=0D
present in the long form submitted for ballot</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D1><SPAN=
=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY:=
Arial">WG3N1413_20040318/iso10303_239/data/modules/ap239_product_life_cycl=
e_support/arm_lf.exp</SPAN></FONT></P>
<DIV>
<P><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY:=
Arial">Regards<BR>Rob</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY:=
Arial">------------------------------------------- <BR>Ro=
b=0D
Bodington<BR>Eurostep Limited<BR>Web Page: </SPAN></FONT><FONT=0D
color=3Dblue><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: blue"><A=0D
href=3D"http://www.eurostep.com";><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=
=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:=
Arial">http://www.eurostep.com</SPAN></FONT></A></SPAN></FONT><FONT=0D
face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">=0D
</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblue><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: blue"><A=0D
href=3D"http://www.share-a-space.com";><FONT face=3DArial size=
=3D2><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:=
Arial">http://www.share-a-space.com</SPAN></FONT></A><BR></SPAN></FONT><FO=
NT=0D
face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Email:=0D
Rob.Bodington@eurostep.com<BR>Phone: +44 (0)1454 270030<BR>Mobile:=
+44=0D
(0)7796 176 401</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN lang=
=3DEN-US=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original=0D
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT:=
bold">From:</SPAN></B> tim=0D
turner [mailto:timturner11@bellsouth.net] <BR><B><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> 11 August 2004=0D
06:06<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> 'Rob=0D
Bodington'; plcs-dex@lists.oasis-open.org<BR><B><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B>=0D
timturner11@bellsouth.net<BR><B><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: [plcs-dex]=
document=0D
properties issues?</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=
=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><STRONG><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue=
size=3D2><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Rob and=
=0D
others,</SPAN></FONT></B></STRONG></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=
=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><STRONG><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue=
size=3D2><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY:=
Arial">1.</SPAN></FONT></B></STRONG><FONT=0D
face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY:=
Arial"> <STRONG><B><FONT=0D
face=3DArial><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Module ISO/TS=0D
10303-1126:2004 (</SPAN></FONT></B></STRONG>Document properties)=0D
<STRONG><B><FONT face=3DArial><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:=
Arial">states;</SPAN></FONT></B></STRONG></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=
=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The=
<B><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">document_property_item</SPAN></B> type=
is an=0D
extension of the <B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold"><A=0D
href=
=3D"file:///C:\data\LSCProjects\PLCS\modules\stepmod\data\modules\property_=
assignment\sys\4_info_reqs.xml#property_assignment_arm.property_assignment_=
select">property_assignment_select</A></SPAN></B>=0D
type. It adds the data types <B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT:=
bold"><A=0D
href=
=3D"file:///C:\data\LSCProjects\PLCS\modules\stepmod\data\modules\document_=
definition\sys\4_info_reqs.xml#document_definition_arm.document_definition"=
>Document_definition</A></SPAN></B>=0D
and <B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold"><A=0D
href=
=3D"file:///C:\data\LSCProjects\PLCS\modules\stepmod\data\modules\file_iden=
tification\sys\4_info_reqs.xml#file_identification_arm.file">File</A></SPAN=
></B>=0D
to the list of alternate data types. However, this type is=
actually=0D
not present in the PLCS longform as on stepmod at present, or in=
any=0D
previous version I can find. The document_definition and file=
entity=0D
objects required for document properties are present in the parent=
=0D
object though. </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=
=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=
=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Has the=
former=0D
now been dropped from PLCS? Which is supposed to be=0D
used?</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=
=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=
=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I=
presume this=0D
is/was either an issue against the module or against the PLCS=
model.=0D
</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=
=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><STRONG><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue=
size=3D2><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY:=
Arial">2.</SPAN></FONT></B></STRONG><FONT=0D
face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> With=
respect=0D
to the ongoing discussion; if document properties are not to be=
included=0D
in </SPAN></FONT><STRONG><B><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3Dblue size=
=3D2><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">C076=0D
assigning_product_properties,</SPAN></FONT></B></STRONG><FONT=0D
face=3DVerdana color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> then=
can I=0D
suggest that the introduction is misleading as it states=0D
"</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3Dblue><SPAN=0D
style=3D"COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">The purpose of the=
"Assigning=0D
Properties to Products" capability is to describe how properties=
are=0D
assigned to products and their <STRONG><B><FONT face=
=3DVerdana><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:=
Verdana">subtypes</SPAN></FONT></B></STRONG>". It=0D
then gives two examples, but is clearly not definitive as to what=0D
subtypes are or are not within scope.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=
=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=
=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY:=
Arial">regards,</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=
=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY:=
Arial">Tim</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN=
=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original=0D
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT:=
bold">From:</SPAN></B> tim=0D
turner [mailto:timturner11@bellsouth.net]<BR><B><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> 10 August 2004=0D
18:48<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> 'Rob=0D
Bodington'; plcs-dex@lists.oasis-open.org<BR><B><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: [plcs-dex]=
document=0D
properties</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=0D
style=3D"MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0cm">
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=
=3D2><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY:=
Arial">Apologies for=0D
the late reply Rob,</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=
=3D3><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=
=3D2><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From=
another=0D
view, document is a type of product and as such should therefore,=
be=0D
handled by this capability rather than creating or enlarging the=
scope=0D
of other capabilities that are already becomming too=0D
large. </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=
=3D3><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=
=3D2><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY:=
Arial">Also document=0D
properties do not apply to files (digital/hardcopy files) since=
they=0D
are not subtypes of product & do not have am associated=0D
definition, but cannot use the existing capability because the=0D
property_assignment_select type does not include files. In fact=
it=0D
only includes one of the 18 possible types, which means=
potentially=0D
another 17 capabilities to cover=
all! </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=
=3D3><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=
=3D2><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY:=
Arial">Documents=0D
could be covered by adding one subtype to the existing capability=
=0D
(assigned_document_property) & adding two items to the=
above=0D
mentioned select type (since document_definition is not a subtype=
of=0D
product_view_definition & files are independantly=0D
defined).</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=
=3D3><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=
=3D2><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I can=
create=0D
a new capability or add to existing ones but it would mean=0D
repeating a large amount of information already within=0D
assigning_product_properties.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D3><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY:=
Tahoma"><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT=0D
face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY:=
Arial">regards,</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=
=3D2><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY:=
Arial">Tim</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=
=3D3><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><FONT face=
=3DTahoma=0D
size=3D2><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:=
Tahoma"> -----Original=0D
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT:=
bold">From:</SPAN></B>=0D
Rob Bodington [mailto:rob.bodington@eurostep.com]<BR><B><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> 29 July 2004=0D
03:30<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>=0D
plcs-dex@lists.oasis-open.org<BR><B><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [plcs-dex]=
document=0D
properties</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=0D
style=3D"MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0cm">
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D1><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY:=
Arial">Hi</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D1><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">An issue was=
raised=0D
against the capability: </SPAN></FONT><B><FONT face=3DVerdana=0D
size=3D2><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt; FONT-FAMILY:=
Verdana">Capability=0D
(C076):—=
assigning_product_properties</SPAN></FONT></B></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D1><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">that we should=
include=0D
document properties in it.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=
=3D3><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D1><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Given that we=
decided to=0D
treat product properties, resource properties and activity=0D
properties as separate capabilities, and given that the=
document=0D
property module subtypes the generic property model,=0D
</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D1><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">it seems to me=
that =0D
document properties should not be part of=0D
assigning_product_properties</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=
=3D3><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D1><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Rather it should=
either=0D
be a separate capability or part of representing_documents=0D
capability.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D1><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Given that you=
nearly=0D
always want to represent a documents properties whenever you=0D
represent a document and given that document properties will=
never=0D
be used with anything other than documents, I think that=
document=0D
properties should form part of the representing_documents=0D
capability</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=
=3D3><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D1><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Any=0D
thoughts?</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:=
Arial">Regards<BR>Rob</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:=
Arial">------------------------------------------- <BR>Ro=
b=0D
Bodington<BR>Eurostep Limited<BR>Web Page: </SPAN></FONT><A=0D
href=3D"http://www.eurostep.com";><FONT face=3DArial size=
=3D2><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:=
Arial">http://www.eurostep.com</SPAN></FONT></A><FONT=0D
face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt;=
FONT-FAMILY: Arial">=0D
</SPAN></FONT><A href=3D"http://www.share-a-space.com";><FONT=0D
face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:=
Arial">http://www.share-a-space.com</SPAN></FONT></A><BR><FONT=0D
face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Email:=0D
Rob.Bodington@eurostep.com<BR>Phone: +44 (0)1454=
270030<BR>Mobile:=0D
+44 (0)7796 176 401</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=
=3D3><SPAN=0D
style=3D"FONT-SIZE:=
12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV=
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