Re: [regrep-cc-review] Re: ACC or ABIE? (Was Re: [regrep-cc-review] Association Core Components - Represent withAssociations)

["CRAWFORD, Mark" <MCRAWFORD@lmi.org>]

Joe,
Sorry, but it breaks the model.  Residence Address.Details (sorry - no underscore on my blackberry) is a ABIE that is derived through the application of context to the ACC of address details.  Remember there is a many to one relationship btwn BIEs and CCs - not one-to-one that creating artificial CCs would create.  If you apply qualifiers to CCs, you are in Fact applying context. Bottom line - not saying residence address details shouldn't exist, just saying it only exists as an ABIE.  

I can understand the need to differentiate how objects are stored*, but I don't believe you should in any way redefine or break the CC model.
Mark Crawford
Research Fellow - LMI XML Lead
W3C Advisory Committee, OASIS, RosettaNet Representative
Vice Chair - OASIS UBL TC & Chair Naming and Design Rules Subcommittee
Chair - UN/CEFACT XML Syntax Working Group
Editor - UN/CEFACT Core Components
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-----Original Message-----
From: Chiusano Joseph <chiusano_joseph@bah.com>
To: CRAWFORD, Mark <MCRAWFORD@lmi.org>
CC: regrep-cc-review@lists.oasis-open.org <regrep-cc-review@lists.oasis-open.org>
Sent: Mon Aug 11 09:51:29 2003
Subject: Re: [regrep-cc-review] Re: ACC or ABIE? (Was Re: [regrep-cc-review]    Association Core Components  -  Represent withAssociations)

Thanks Mark. I hope you'll forgive us if we handle this a bit
differently in our implementation (we will clearly document where we
deviate). We definitely have a need in our registry architecture to
represent entities such as "ResidenceAddress. Details" as reusable
ExtrinsicObjects for our users. We would be irresponsible to our
implementers and users if we did not do so. 

Apologies for this deviation, but when taken in context of our registry
architecture we feel it is necessary.

Joe

"CRAWFORD, Mark" wrote:
> 
> Joe,
> 
> Good question. The included ABIE's are in fact represented by ASBIE's. We made that shift last summer to address the properties issue.
> Mark Crawford
> Research Fellow - LMI XML Lead
> W3C Advisory Committee, OASIS, RosettaNet Representative
> Vice Chair - OASIS UBL TC & Chair Naming and Design Rules Subcommittee
> Chair - UN/CEFACT XML Syntax Working Group
> Editor - UN/CEFACT Core Components
> ______
> Logistics Management Institute
> 2000 Corporate Ridge, McLean, VA 22102-7805
> (703) 917-7177   Fax (703) 917-7481
> Wireless (703) 655-4810
> mcrawford@lmi.org
> http://www.lmi.org
> "Opportunity is what you make of it"
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chiusano Joseph <chiusano_joseph@bah.com>
> To: CRAWFORD, Mark <MCRAWFORD@lmi.org>
> CC: CCRev <regrep-cc-review@lists.oasis-open.org>
> Sent: Mon Aug 11 08:58:27 2003
> Subject: Re: [regrep-cc-review] Re: ACC or ABIE? (Was Re: [regrep-cc-review]   Association Core Components  -  Represent withAssociations)
> 
> Mark,
> 
> Does that mean an ABIE can contain other ABIEs "directly" - i.e. without
> the use of an ASBIE? If so, can you please point us to the proper
> section of the CCTS spec? (not challenging, just asking for
> clarification)
> 
> Thanks,
> Joe
> 
> "CRAWFORD, Mark" wrote:
> >
> > Actually an ABIE can contain other ABIEs.
> > Mark Crawford
> > Research Fellow - LMI XML Lead
> > W3C Advisory Committee, OASIS, RosettaNet Representative
> > Vice Chair - OASIS UBL TC & Chair Naming and Design Rules Subcommittee
> > Chair - UN/CEFACT XML Syntax Working Group
> > Editor - UN/CEFACT Core Components
> > ______
> > Logistics Management Institute
> > 2000 Corporate Ridge, McLean, VA 22102-7805
> > (703) 917-7177   Fax (703) 917-7481
> > Wireless (703) 655-4810
> > mcrawford@lmi.org
> > http://www.lmi.org
> > "Opportunity is what you make of it"
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Chiusano Joseph <chiusano_joseph@bah.com>
> > To: Diego Ballvé <diego.ballve@republica.fi>
> > CC: Monica Martin <monica.martin@sun.com>; Farrukh Najmi <farrukh.najmi@sun.com>; CCRev <regrep-cc-review@lists.oasis-open.org>
> > Sent: Mon Aug 11 08:48:34 2003
> > Subject: Re: [regrep-cc-review] Re: ACC or ABIE? (Was Re: [regrep-cc-review]  Association Core Components  -  Represent withAssociations)
> >
> > Forwarding Diego's response to Monica's question.
> >
> > Diego Ballvé wrote:
> > >
> > Monica,
> > >
> > > mm1: Is it possible we have an ABIE within an ABIE? I am just
> > > asking not advocating at this point.
> > >
> > It depends on how you interpret "within". The long answer is:
> > ABIE maps to UML class, which can have (UML) properties. These
> > properties can be:
> > - simple -> represented by BBIE -> linked to DataType;
> > - complex -> represented by ASBIE -> linked to ABIE;
> > So, ABIEs do not contain ABIEs directly. Instead, they contain
> > ASBIEs which are actually references to ABIEs. Similarly,
> > classes do not contain classes; they contain fields that are
> > typed after a primitive or another class.
> > >
> > > Diego