Re: [regrep-semantic] Will a Universal Data Element Framework [UDEF] Class of Applications fit within the ebXML Semantic Registry ?

["David RR Webber" <david@drrw.info>]

Duane,

We're looking at a somewhat less ambitious approach using
CAM and UDEF.

Since CAM has the <ContentReference> mechanism, you
simply use the UDEF id as the look up ID value, and
essentially it works using the same lookup system
as you noted below - but the UDEF id is used instead
of the UUID - (matched against ExternalID in RIM).

Now - assuming you are using the SCM noun definition
in the Registry - you can retrieve the UDEF noun
semantics.  Now from there - the noun has ability to
link associations and ontology / taxonomy references
to itself (already a feature of registry).

Essentially this is a MUD approach - (middle up and down),
using the UDEF ids as the middle - and then building out
both the implementation layer linkage (down) and the
semantics model (up).

Since the total UP problem is really tough - this allows you
to slowly enhance and improve - as new capablities
are available - while giving people a really simple
and rapid on-ramp (down).

People get instant ROI on noun semantics
thru the use with CAM templates and improving
business transaction interoperability and validation
right out the gate.

DW.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Duane Nickull" <dnickull@adobe.com>
To: "Zachary Alexander" <zack2003@ebtdesign.com>
Cc: <regrep-semantic@lists.oasis-open.org>; <john@sanghainteractive.com>;
"Ed Chase" <chase@adobe.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: [regrep-semantic] Will a Universal Data Element Framework
[UDEF] Class of Applications fit within the ebXML Semantic Registry ?


> One easy fit I see is the ability to use the UUID's for a data element
> at run time to reference the actual data element in the registry using
> the HTTP accessor string.
>
> For instance, if you specified in the schema that each data element had
> a FIXED attribute of "UUID" and the value is
> "http://some_registry:PORT#?getRegistryObject=uid:foo"; , this will not
> be present for fast parsing (non validating parsing will not present the
> attribute in the final serialization).  If a validating parse is
> performed, the UUID attribute will be present.
>
> It would look like this.
>
> <MyElement
>
UUID="http://registry.oasis-open.org/urlInterface/getRegistryObject?id=urn:u
uid:29147919-0e12-6120-6279-647c3b7e3264">instance
> values</MyElement>
>
> The retrieved object should be able to tell an application what the
> metadata of the object is, in terms the application can understand,
> including a way to serialize semantics.  This is an EXTREMELY complex
> problem to solve.  Automated semantic inter operability will probably
> escape mankind for the next decade, however I firmly believe this is the
> right track.  The Registry object(s) returned must be able to convey the
> semantics that are specific to a certain context of the data elements
> use.  For instance,
>
> //PO/BuyerParty/Name != PO/SellerParty/name
>
> even  though they are both instance of the same the <Name> element.
>
> (BTW - Try accessing the value of the UUID by clicking on it - it works.)
>
> This is a first pass obvious tie in between ebXMLrr and UDEF.  I'm sure
> there are many other things that will come to mind.
>
> Duane
>
>
> Zachary Alexander wrote:
>
> >Will a UDEF (Universal Data Element Framework) Class of application fit
> >within the ebXML Semantic Registry model? How would a Semantic Aware
> >ebXML Registry support UDEF? The UDEF is an international,
> >cross-industry standards effort that is developing Object and Property
> >word trees that can be combined to construct semantic identifiers.
> >
> >[1] http://www.udef.org
> >
> >Zachary Alexander
> >The IT Investment Architect
> >ebTDesign LLC, (703) 283-4325
> >http://www.ebTDesign.com | http://www.p2pspeaker.com
> >http://www.p2peconomy.com | http://www.itinvestmentvehicle.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> -- 
> Senior Standards Strategist
> Adobe Systems, Inc.
> http://www.adobe.com
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