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Subject: RE: [regrep] Result of Query Ballot
Yes, a ballot that did not reach quorum is invalid (not yet approved), rather than disapproved. It is as if the vote had never been taken. </karl> ================================================================= Karl F. Best OASIS - Director, Technical Operations 978.667.5115 x206 karl.best@oasis-open.org http://www.oasis-open.org > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Chang [mailto:dtchang@us.ibm.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 2:39 PM > To: Karl F. Best > Cc: Lisa Carnahan; regrep@lists.oasis-open.org > Subject: RE: [regrep] Result of Query Ballot > > > > Karl, > > Do you agree that the vote count should be Invalid and not > Disapprove and > therefore there should be a re-vote, as David and Scott have > suggested? > > The Query team, especially Len, has put in a lot of effort in > developing > the Query Proposal. It is totally inappropriate to be disapproved by > non-votes. As David has indicated, one of those non-votes > actually would > have been an Approve vote. Also, most seriously, as I have > pointed out, the > existing Object Query Management Service chapter is outdated > and incorrect > and cannot be included as is in V2. > > Regards, Dan > > Metadata Management Technology and Standard > IBM DBTI for e-Business > Notes: Dan Chang/Santa Teresa/IBM@IBMUS > Internet: dtchang@us.ibm.com > VM: IBMUSM50(DTCHANG) > Phone: (408)-463-2319 > > > > > "Karl F. Best" > > <karl.best@oasis To: Dan > Chang/Santa Teresa/IBM@IBMUS > -open.org> cc: Lisa > Carnahan <lisa.carnahan@nist.gov>, > > regrep@lists.oasis-open.org > 10/24/01 11:16 Subject: RE: > [regrep] Result of Query Ballot > AM > > > > > > > > > OK, there's some difference, but still the quorum is based on > the people > who consistently participate. OASIS calls these consistently > participating people TC members, and OMG calls them some subset of TC > members. > > </karl> > ================================================================= > Karl F. Best > OASIS - Director, Technical Operations > 978.667.5115 x206 > karl.best@oasis-open.org http://www.oasis-open.org > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dan Chang [mailto:dtchang@us.ibm.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 1:56 PM > > To: Karl F. Best > > Cc: Lisa Carnahan; regrep@lists.oasis-open.org > > Subject: RE: [regrep] Result of Query Ballot > > > > > > > > Karl, > > > > There is a difference. First, with the OMG process, there > is a Voting > > Members list and then there is a quorum calculation based on a > > consistently-participating criterion. The quorum is recalculated > > periodically and is almost always lower than half of the > > number of voting > > members. Second, with the OMG process, each company has only > > one vote. I am > > not arguing which process is better. I am just saying there is a > > difference. > > > > In any case, I agree with Scott and David. The vote count > > should have been > > Invalid not Disapprove so that a re-vote can be taken. > > Otherwise, non-votes > > are being counted as Disapprove, which is worse than what went on in > > Florida a few moons ago. > > > > Regards, Dan > > > > Metadata Management Technology and Standard > > IBM DBTI for e-Business > > Notes: Dan Chang/Santa Teresa/IBM@IBMUS > > Internet: dtchang@us.ibm.com > > VM: IBMUSM50(DTCHANG) > > Phone: (408)-463-2319 > > > > > > > > > > "Karl F. Best" > > > > <karl.best@oasis To: Dan > > Chang/Santa Teresa/IBM@IBMUS, "Lisa Carnahan" > > -open.org> > > <lisa.carnahan@nist.gov> > > cc: > > <regrep@lists.oasis-open.org> > > 10/24/01 10:23 Subject: RE: > > [regrep] Result of Query Ballot > > AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan: > > > > Under OASIS rules the voting membership of a TC are those > > people who are > > consistently attending meetings and participating in votes. Half of > > those people must vote in order for an election to be valid. > > So there's > > really no difference between how we do it and OMG. > > > > </karl> > > ================================================================= > > Karl F. Best > > OASIS - Director, Technical Operations > > 978.667.5115 x206 > > karl.best@oasis-open.org http://www.oasis-open.org > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Dan Chang [mailto:dtchang@us.ibm.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 12:25 PM > > > To: Lisa Carnahan > > > Cc: regrep@lists.oasis-open.org > > > Subject: Re: [regrep] Result of Query Ballot > > > > > > > > > > > > Lisa, > > > > > > I am very puzzled and disturbed by the process. Somehow not > > > voting is being > > > counted as disapprove. That is, nine people did not vote/care > > > and therefore > > > they have disapproved the Query proposal?! > > > > > > It will be totally wrong for V2 to be published with the > > > existing Object > > > Query Management chapter. The chapter is outdated and, > > > therefore, wrong. If > > > the Query proposal is not approved, V2 should be published > > > with the chapter > > > removed. > > > > > > I am new to the OASIS process, but I am familiar with the OMG > > > process. With > > > the OMG process, a quorum is established not as half of all > > > voting members, > > > but as half of all consistently-participating voting > members, which > > > protects active members and the process as a whole. > > > > > > Regards, Dan > > > > > > Metadata Management Technology and Standard > > > IBM DBTI for e-Business > > > Notes: Dan Chang/Santa Teresa/IBM@IBMUS > > > Internet: dtchang@us.ibm.com > > > VM: IBMUSM50(DTCHANG) > > > Phone: (408)-463-2319 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lisa Carnahan > > > > > > <lisa.carnahan To: > > > regrep@lists.oasis-open.org > > > @nist.gov> cc: > > > > > > Subject: > > > [regrep] Result of Query Ballot > > > 10/24/01 07:49 > > > > > > AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Query Proposal is not approved because the number of TC > > > members casting > > > > > > a ballot was not a simple majority of TC voting members. We > > > agreed as a TC > > > > > > that a simple majority must cast ballots for the vote to be > > valid. We > > > needed 9 ballots for the vote to be valid. The results are > > > as follows: > > > > > > Bruce Bargmeyer - did not vote > > > Kathryn Breininger - approve > > > Dan Chang - approve > > > Joe Chiusano - abstain > > > Suresh Damodaran -did not vote > > > Anne Fischer - approve > > > Sally Fuger - did not vote > > > Len Gallagher - approve > > > Jong Kim - did not vote > > > Joel Munter - did not vote > > > Farrukh Najmi - disapprove > > > Sanjay Patil - did not vote > > > Neal Smith -disapprove > > > Nikola Stojanovic - did not vote > > > Prasad Yendluri - did not vote > > > Yutaka Yoshida - did not vote > > > > > > If I have incorrectly represented your action, please let me > > > know ASAP. > > > > > > --lisa > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe from this elist use the subscription > > > manager: <http://lists.oasis-open.org/ob/adm.pl> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe from this elist use the subscription > > > manager: <http://lists.oasis-open.org/ob/adm.pl> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > To subscribe or unsubscribe from this elist use the subscription > manager: <http://lists.oasis-open.org/ob/adm.pl> > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > To subscribe or unsubscribe from this elist use the subscription > manager: <http://lists.oasis-open.org/ob/adm.pl> >
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