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Subject: RE: [regrep] Result of Query Ballot


Yes, a ballot that did not reach quorum is invalid (not yet approved),
rather than disapproved. It is as if the vote had never been taken.

</karl>
=================================================================
Karl F. Best
OASIS - Director, Technical Operations
978.667.5115 x206
karl.best@oasis-open.org  http://www.oasis-open.org


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Chang [mailto:dtchang@us.ibm.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 2:39 PM
> To: Karl F. Best
> Cc: Lisa Carnahan; regrep@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: RE: [regrep] Result of Query Ballot
>
>
>
> Karl,
>
> Do you agree that the vote count should be Invalid and not
> Disapprove and
> therefore there should be a re-vote, as David and Scott have
> suggested?
>
> The Query team, especially Len, has put in a lot of effort in
> developing
> the Query Proposal. It is totally inappropriate to be disapproved by
> non-votes. As David has indicated, one of those non-votes
> actually would
> have been an Approve vote. Also, most seriously, as I have
> pointed out, the
> existing Object Query Management Service chapter is outdated
> and incorrect
> and cannot be included as is in V2.
>
> Regards,  Dan
>
> Metadata Management Technology and Standard
> IBM DBTI for e-Business
> Notes:     Dan Chang/Santa Teresa/IBM@IBMUS
> Internet:  dtchang@us.ibm.com
> VM:          IBMUSM50(DTCHANG)
> Phone:    (408)-463-2319
>
>
>
>
>                     "Karl F. Best"
>
>                     <karl.best@oasis       To:     Dan
> Chang/Santa Teresa/IBM@IBMUS
>                     -open.org>             cc:     Lisa
> Carnahan <lisa.carnahan@nist.gov>,
>
> regrep@lists.oasis-open.org
>                     10/24/01 11:16         Subject:     RE:
> [regrep] Result of Query Ballot
>                     AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> OK, there's some difference, but still the quorum is based on
> the people
> who consistently participate. OASIS calls these consistently
> participating people TC members, and OMG calls them some subset of TC
> members.
>
> </karl>
> =================================================================
> Karl F. Best
> OASIS - Director, Technical Operations
> 978.667.5115 x206
> karl.best@oasis-open.org  http://www.oasis-open.org
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dan Chang [mailto:dtchang@us.ibm.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 1:56 PM
> > To: Karl F. Best
> > Cc: Lisa Carnahan; regrep@lists.oasis-open.org
> > Subject: RE: [regrep] Result of Query Ballot
> >
> >
> >
> > Karl,
> >
> > There is a difference. First, with the OMG process, there
> is a Voting
> > Members list and then there is a quorum calculation based on a
> > consistently-participating criterion. The quorum is recalculated
> > periodically and is almost always lower than half of the
> > number of voting
> > members. Second, with the OMG process, each company has only
> > one vote. I am
> > not arguing which process is better. I am just saying there is a
> > difference.
> >
> > In any case, I agree with Scott and David. The vote count
> > should have been
> > Invalid not Disapprove so that a re-vote can be taken.
> > Otherwise, non-votes
> > are being counted as Disapprove, which is worse than what went on in
> > Florida a few moons ago.
> >
> > Regards,  Dan
> >
> > Metadata Management Technology and Standard
> > IBM DBTI for e-Business
> > Notes:     Dan Chang/Santa Teresa/IBM@IBMUS
> > Internet:  dtchang@us.ibm.com
> > VM:          IBMUSM50(DTCHANG)
> > Phone:    (408)-463-2319
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >                     "Karl F. Best"
> >
> >                     <karl.best@oasis       To:     Dan
> > Chang/Santa Teresa/IBM@IBMUS, "Lisa Carnahan"
> >                     -open.org>
> > <lisa.carnahan@nist.gov>
> >                                            cc:
> > <regrep@lists.oasis-open.org>
> >                     10/24/01 10:23         Subject:     RE:
> > [regrep] Result of Query Ballot
> >                     AM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Dan:
> >
> > Under OASIS rules the voting membership of a TC are those
> > people who are
> > consistently attending meetings and participating in votes. Half of
> > those people must vote in order for an election to be valid.
> > So there's
> > really no difference between how we do it and OMG.
> >
> > </karl>
> > =================================================================
> > Karl F. Best
> > OASIS - Director, Technical Operations
> > 978.667.5115 x206
> > karl.best@oasis-open.org  http://www.oasis-open.org
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Dan Chang [mailto:dtchang@us.ibm.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 12:25 PM
> > > To: Lisa Carnahan
> > > Cc: regrep@lists.oasis-open.org
> > > Subject: Re: [regrep] Result of Query Ballot
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Lisa,
> > >
> > > I am very puzzled and disturbed by the process. Somehow not
> > > voting is being
> > > counted as disapprove. That is, nine people did not vote/care
> > > and therefore
> > > they have disapproved the Query proposal?!
> > >
> > > It will be totally wrong for V2 to be published with the
> > > existing Object
> > > Query Management chapter. The chapter is outdated and,
> > > therefore, wrong. If
> > > the Query proposal is not approved, V2 should be published
> > > with the chapter
> > > removed.
> > >
> > > I am new to the OASIS process, but I am familiar with the OMG
> > > process. With
> > > the OMG process, a quorum is established not as half of all
> > > voting members,
> > > but as half of all consistently-participating voting
> members, which
> > > protects active members and the process as a whole.
> > >
> > > Regards,  Dan
> > >
> > > Metadata Management Technology and Standard
> > > IBM DBTI for e-Business
> > > Notes:     Dan Chang/Santa Teresa/IBM@IBMUS
> > > Internet:  dtchang@us.ibm.com
> > > VM:          IBMUSM50(DTCHANG)
> > > Phone:    (408)-463-2319
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >                     Lisa Carnahan
> > >
> > >                     <lisa.carnahan       To:
> > > regrep@lists.oasis-open.org
> > >                     @nist.gov>           cc:
> > >
> > >                                          Subject:
> > > [regrep] Result of Query Ballot
> > >                     10/24/01 07:49
> > >
> > >                     AM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The Query Proposal is not approved because the number of TC
> > > members casting
> > >
> > > a ballot was not a simple majority of TC voting members.  We
> > > agreed as a TC
> > >
> > > that a simple majority must cast ballots for the vote to be
> > valid.  We
> > > needed 9 ballots for the vote to be valid.  The results are
> > > as follows:
> > >
> > > Bruce Bargmeyer  - did not vote
> > > Kathryn Breininger - approve
> > > Dan Chang - approve
> > > Joe Chiusano - abstain
> > > Suresh Damodaran  -did not vote
> > > Anne Fischer - approve
> > > Sally Fuger - did not vote
> > > Len Gallagher - approve
> > > Jong Kim - did not vote
> > > Joel Munter - did not vote
> > > Farrukh Najmi - disapprove
> > > Sanjay Patil - did not vote
> > > Neal Smith -disapprove
> > > Nikola Stojanovic - did not vote
> > > Prasad Yendluri - did not vote
> > > Yutaka Yoshida - did not vote
> > >
> > > If I have incorrectly represented your action, please let me
> > > know ASAP.
> > >
> > > --lisa
> > >
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