Re: [regrep] Does Registry need Business Analytics/Business IntelligenceCapabilities?

["Chiusano Joseph" <chiusano_joseph@bah.com>]

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Another potential issue may be that Registry operators can examine logs 
to determine who's CPP (or WSDL) has been examined the most, least 
and/or by which other users (if logged in and session information is 
logged).
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Yes - and I put this under the category of "Reporting" rather than
"Business Intelligence". I always consider BI to be a mechanism that
(for example) would operate on (mine) a CRM database to make intelligent
associations between data items and answer such questions as:

"For users who purchased product A, what other products did they
purchase in the X weeks following their purchase of product A?"

or

"What are the demographic characteristics of users who purchased
products A, D, and G within an X-week time period?"

I really don't see the need for registry users to perform queries of
this intelligence level on audit logs for the registry. I would call the
registry audit log queries simply "reporting".

Joe


Duane Nickull wrote:
> 
> My take would echo Joe's earlier comment.  Most Registry users would
> likely constrain only metadata to the Registry, not instance data.
>  ebXML CPP, CPA or WSDL instance of course, violates this principle,
> however it is generally felt that there would be no transactional
> instances placed into a publicly accessible registry.
> 
> This may change with privately used registries.  I do know of a few
> folks who have planned to use the Registry for instance data as well or
> a combination (metadata for instances of forms generated only under
> certain contexts).  The logs could recall how many times a certain
> Registry Object was called, but this information would be useless to
> most unless it was combined with the caching algorythm of the
> application(s) requesting the data. One application may cache the
> registry object for 30 days while another may simply request a new copy
> each time the relevant function call was made.
> 
> Another potential issue may be that Registry operators can examine logs
> to determine who's CPP (or WSDL) has been examined the most, least
> and/or by which other users (if logged in and session information is
> logged).  IMHO, this may be a security loophole from a business standpoint.
> 
> One final thought - with respect to CPP's/WSDL instances.  Who decides
> the algorythm to determine which order of presentation is applied when a
> query that reveals multiple registry obejcts is made?  Does that
> algorythm get published?  Will every company start entering their
>  Registry CPA's/WSDL's as "AAAAA1111111 Shoe company Ltd."?
> 
> Duane Nickull
> 
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> 
> Zachary Alexander wrote:
> 
> >Joe,
> >
> >Metaphorically, BI works on the residue of business transactions.  It
> >deals with the micro-decisions that companies make everyday. Given those
> >two conditions then we have two questions.  Is there business residue
> >that can be collected from the registry? If there is business residue
> >(i.e., transaction logs), can the analysis of those logs lead to better
> >micro-decisions.  If there is the potential that the registry functions
> >could be distributed throughout an organization, then there is a higher
> >probability that the business residue (i.e., transaction logs) could be
> >of interest in the decision making process.
> >
> >Zachary Alexander
> >The IT Investment Architect
> >ebTDesign LLC, (703) 283-4325
> >http://www.ebTDesign.com
> >http://www.p2pspeaker.com
> >http://www.p2peconomy.com
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Chiusano Joseph [mailto:chiusano_joseph@bah.com]
> >Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 5:36 PM
> >To: Zachary Alexander
> >Cc: regrep@lists.oasis-open.org
> >Subject: Re: [regrep] Does Registry need Business Analytics/Business
> >Intelligence Capabilities?
> >
> >Since BI generally operates on data rather than metadata, my first
> >reaction is to say that it would be out of scope of the registry.
> >Others?
> >
> >Joe
> >
> >
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> >
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