ebXML Registry and Web Services (Was Re: [regrep] UDDI as the registry for ebXML components: Typo?)

["Chiusano Joseph" <chiusano_joseph@bah.com>]

Help is on its way!

David Webber has already volunteered me to ebXML Mkt Steering to write
such a white paper (David, I'm very happy to do so - I just responded to
your request). I would be very happy to have a co-author (or 2) as well.

Should we start it right away? Perhaps not just yet - here's what I
propose:

(1) The TC produce a 2nd Technical Note in the "Web Services Series" on
discoverying Web services in an ebXML Registry

(2) As I mentioned on our last call, I have expanded my proposed Federal
CIO Council "ebXML Registry and Web Services" pilot to be a more general
"Registries and Web Services" pilot, in the spirit of the "Co-Existence
Paradigm" that I wrote about in [1]. So it would encompass ebXML
Registry and UDDI, and the interactions between them. I am presenting
more specifics at the 7/22 meeting of the Federal CIO Council XML Web
Services Working Group.

I believe that (2) can give us some good real-world use cases that we
can reference in the white paper. The use cases presented in the UDDI TN
that we've been discussing are great as well, and I am recommending
their inclusion in the pilot. Additionally, the creation of (1) would
allow us to reference it from the white paper, thus making an even
stronger case for ebXML Registry and Web services.

If anyone thinks that we should write this white paper prior to (1) and
(2), I'm certainly open to that as well.

Thoughts?

Joe

[1] http://www.webservices.org/index.php/article/articleview/984/1/24/

"MACIAS, Paul" wrote:
> 
> Duane,
> 
> <Quote>
> The community needs a good position paper to show how ebXML relates to
> WS* and that they do interoperate together very well.  The paper should
> also describe how WS* and ebXML have positioned themselves as SOA's for
> certain requirements.
> </Quote>
> 
> I'd love to agree with you, but then I'm afraid someone might find out and want my help in writing it.  ;-)
> 
> -Paul
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Duane Nickull [mailto:duane@yellowdragonsoft.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 2:20 PM
> To: MACIAS, Paul
> Cc: Anne Thomas Manes; David RR Webber - XML ebusiness; Chiusano Joseph;
> regrep@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: Re: [regrep] UDDI as the registry for ebXML components: Typo?
> 
> Paul:
> 
> This lines and protocols for cumminication are getting blurry.  I can
> definately bring this to the ebXML JCC and the WSAG and these groups
> have ties to their constituents.
> 
> The community needs a good position paper to show how ebXML relates to
> WS* and that they do interoperate together very well.  The paper should
> also describe how WS* and ebXML have positioned themselves as SOA's for
> certain requirements.  Anne's recent email sums up the start of this
> fairly nicely (ebXML is a specialization of WS for eBusiness).
> 
> It is important to remember how closely linked these two worlds are:
> 
> 1. ebXML Registry uses WSDL + SOAP for access
> 2. ebXML MS is an extension of SOAP.
> 3. WSDL is unilateral Trading Partner Agreement (as is CPP), CPA is
> bilateral (neeed for eBusiness).
> 4. BPSS, BPEL, BPML, WSCI etc. - let's *really* think about what we're
> all trying to do here and make one spec that works really well with WS
> or ebXML components.
> 5. UN/CEFACT Business Collaboration Framework (UMM, UML) really a good
> idea for all.
> 6. ebXML TA v1.04 and WS Architecture are really smaller subsets of the
> UN/CEFACT eBusiness Archtiecture (Service Oriented Architecture that is
> abstract of an implementation scenario).
> 7. Event-driven, Service Oriented, Registry Centric for all...
> 
> etc.
> 
> Duane Nickull
> 
> MACIAS, Paul wrote:
> 
> >Duane,
> >
> >Sorry.  Didn't know that.  Probably should have gone to you back in April after trying the TCs directly.  Out of curiosity and future reference, is there an official channel for routing things like this document, or should other OASIS TCs route things directly to the ebXML TCs?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Paul
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Duane Nickull [mailto:duane@yellowdragonsoft.com]
> >Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 2:03 PM
> >To: MACIAS, Paul
> >Cc: Anne Thomas Manes; David RR Webber - XML ebusiness; Chiusano Joseph;
> >regrep@lists.oasis-open.org
> >Subject: Re: [regrep] UDDI as the registry for ebXML components: Typo?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >MACIAS, Paul wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>All,
> >>
> >>Just got caught up on this whole discussion this afternoon.  To answer Joe's question, while there is no official liaison, I've been sitting in on both groups.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> > >>>>
> >I am the official liaison between the ebXML Join tCoordination Committe
> >and the Web Servies Architecture Group.
> >
> >Duane Nickull
> >
> >
> >
> 
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