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Subject: Re: [regrep] Fwd: Re: [emergency] BEA, Microsoft, and Tibco ReleaseWS-Eventing Specification


I would say that this is out of our scope, as it is purely intended for
Web Services interactions. From the specification:

<Excerpt>
This specification defines a protocol for one Web service (called an
"event sink") to register interest (called a "subscription") with
another Web service (called an "event source") in receiving messages
about events (called "notifications").
</Excerpt>

Joe

Rex Brooks wrote:
> 
> Excuse the non-sequitur post, but I wondered if anyone on this list
> might be interested in this development?
> 
> It's billed as a substrate allowing more than simple http
> request-response by using ws-addressing to decouple message from
> transport. I thought that was already possible, but maybe I missed
> something.
> 
> What do we really need that registries and http request-response
> doesn't do while very effectively restraining clutter and scalability
> issues in important channels (not to mention enforcing security
> considerations)?
> 
> Also, shouldn't "eventing" be reserved to processes that have
> definite, understood, triggered response processes? An interesting
> event sounds a bit like a distraction more than an important event
> with immediate important consequences.
> 
> Sounds like a boondoggle to me, but what do I know, eh?
> 
> Ciao,
> Rex
> 
> > Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 08:42:21 -0800
> > To: "Aerts, John F." <jfaerts@lasd.org>,
> > emergency@lists.oasis-open.org
> > From: Rex Brooks <rexb@starbourne.com>
> > Subject: Re: [emergency] BEA, Microsoft, and Tibco Release
> > WS-Eventing Specification
> > Cc: "'emergency-if@lists.oasis-open.org'"
> > <emergency-if@lists.oasis-open.org>
> > Bcc:
> > X-Attachments:
> >
> > Thanks, John,
> 
> >
> > This is of more than a little interest. It troubles me. I don't
> > understand what this is good for in and of itself. It doesn't "DO"
> > anything but pass messages as far as I can see, and doesn't do
> > anything else that isn't already possible.  Also it introduces yet
> > more new "notation" that uses "?"., "*" and "+" for cardinality
> > values. WSRP already has a registry-based WSDL mechanism for the
> > processes described in this specification, not to mention a whole
> > flock of mechanisms that were crafted in order to leave room for
> > "true" eventing. Eventing requires (IMHO) "triggering" mechanisms
> > with clear defined results quite beyond receipt of a simple message
> > whether it is an event, notification or what? and regardless of
> > whether or not any such "subscription" is involved beyond
> > "registration."
> 
> >
> > It also bothers me when I see a specification that so concerned with
> > fault messages and failure scenarios.
> 
> >
> > All of which adds up in my mind to an attempt to somehow "own" the
> > term "eventing" and apply the concept of "subscription" to it.
> 
> >
> > I think we can do a lot better.
> 
> >
> > Ciao,
> 
> > Rex
> 
> >
> > At 6:16 AM -0800 1/12/04, Aerts, John F. wrote:
> >
> >> This may be of interest.
> >>
> >>
> >> WS-Eventing describes how to construct an event-oriented message
> >> exchange pattern using WS-Addressing concepts, allowing Web
> >> services
> >> to act as event sources for subscribers. It defines the operations
> >> required to manage subscriptions to event sources, as well as how
> >> the
> >> actual event messages are constructed....
> >>
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