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Subject: Re: [regrep] UDDI FAQ entry on ebXML Registry


My comments inline also:

At 9:34 AM -0500 1/16/04, Chiusano Joseph wrote:
>Please see comments inline [JMC].
>
>Rex Brooks wrote:
>>
>>  Why not add a note to the effect the ebXML and UDDI are interoperable
>>  and can be used in a complementary fashion.
>
>[JMC] What does "complementary" mean here?
>

Different focus, ebXML seems to be better at 
serving societal, governmental needs as well as 
broad spectrum business concerns, while UDDI 
allows a more narrow focus on business segments 
or vertical markets (per below), if a vertical 
market wants to have its own registries. 
Complementary efficiencies.

Healthcare is an apt example, especially wrt 
Emergency Management supply chains that also 
intersect or include governmental procurement 
needs.

>  > You might want to coordinate these FAQ messages with the UDDI TC's FAQ
>>  and identify areas where both say ebXML and UDDI each are designed
>>  with a particular market segment in mind,
>
>[JMC] I respectfully recommend we stay away from mentioning market
>segments for this purpose, especially because many folks have different
>views of a what a "market segment" means (I personally was thinking more
>of verticals such as health care, finance, etc.)

That's be fine with me.

>[End of JMC comments]

Ciao--Rex

>with ebXML specifically
>>  serving Business and Government in a wider focus beyond Web Services,
>>  which explains why ebXML provides a registry and repository, while
>>  UDDI focuses more on the Business in general and Web Services in
>>  particular, and does not provide a repository in favor of allowing
>>  particular Business Segments to be served by more specialized
>>  repositories provided by Business interests? Both ebXML and and UDDI
>>  can each say that there specifications serve the complete spectrum, so
>>  that neither is perceived as being so limited that either Business or
>>  Government segments need to use both, but can choose to do so in order
>>  to take advantage of the more specialized interaction channels
>>  provided.
>>
>>  I, for one, would like to see the implicit competition dissolve and/or
>>  change into cooperation and coordination. FWIW, I recognize that the
>>  Business side has more adamant adherents who have actively pursued the
>>  ascendency of their more limited (read centralized and
>>  platform-specific) focus. In their defense, I think it is wise to
>>  recognize that it is also due to company-specific myopia, and a
>>  reluctance to accept the necessity of supporting a wider range of
>>  interests (more work) rather than monopolistic practices per se. That
>>  is also not to say that some unnamed parties are largely incapable of
>>  acting outside of their monopolistic default state unless prompted by
>>  market conditions or legal action.
>>
>>  Ciao,
>>  Rex
>>
>>  At 7:33 PM -0500 1/15/04, Anne Thomas Manes wrote:
>>
>>  > How about this:
>>  >
>>  > The ebXML Registry is a constituent of the Electronic Business using
>>  > XML (ebXML) standard, which develops standards and protocols to
>>  > support business-to-business (B2B) operations. The ebXML Registry TC
>>  > has defined a registry specification, known as ebXML Reg/Rep, for
>>  > publishing and discovering shareable content and metadata. The ebXML
>>  > Reg/Rep is both a registry and a repository. Although designed to
>>  > support  the discovery requirements for ebXML, the ebXML Reg/Rep may
>>  > be used as a general-purpose registry and repository.
>>  >
>>  > The UDDI specification defines a registry service focused on
>>  > supporting the requirements for publishing and discovering Web
>>  > services. UDDI does not include a repository. Although designed to
>>  > support the discovery requirements for Web services, UDDI may be
>>  > used as a general-purpose registry.
>>  >
>>  >
>>  > At 11:14 AM 1/15/2004, Berry, Nicholas F wrote:
>  > >
>>  >> Most of my critique of Farrukh's FAQ statement is grammatical.
>>  >>
>>  >> My comments/changes are in red.  I would have used "strikeout" but
>>  >> my Outlook program has disabled it for some reason.  Hence, I've
>>  >> included Farrukh's original beneath mine for reference.  Thanks
>>  >> for putting up with a lurker's comments.
>>  >>
>>  >> --Nicholas
>>  >>
>>  >> <Nicholas>
>>  >> The ebXML Registry is a constituent of the Electronic Business
>  > >> using XML (ebXML) standard, which develops standards and protocols
>>  >> to support business-to-business (B2B) operations. The ebXML
>>  >> Registry TC has defined a general purpose registry specification*,
>>  >> known as ebXML Reg/Rep, for publishing and discovering shareable**
>>  >> content and metadata***. The ebXML Reg/Rep is both a registry and
>>  >> a repository.
>>  >>
>>  >> UDDI, managed by the UDDI Spec TC, is focused as a registry
>>  >> service for Web services and its artifacts. [I don't believe it's
>>  >> wise for Reg/Rep to attempt a definition of UDDI in this
>>  >> particular space....leave that for the ebXML FAQ.  I'd strike this
>>  >> entire sentence.]
>>  >>
>>  >> UDDI and ebXML Registries may be used both within the organization
>>  >> and across organizations.
>>  >
>>  >>
>>  >> *"service" is a loaded word these days.
>>  >> **"arbitrary" connotes whimsical or meaningless; I don't think
>>  >> it's in our interest to state that we deal with "arbitrary"
>>  >> information.  However, I do believe one of the most pertinent
>>  >> aspects of the ebXML Registry is that it shares information, and
>>  >> you don't mention that here.
>>  >> ***Is there a requirement somewhere that metadata registered in an
>>  >> ebXML registry be "standardized"?  I don't believe so, except to
>>  >> the extent that it be useful to at least two parties, and they
>>  >> agree on both the semantic meaning and structural integrity of
>>  >> such metadata.  However, I couldn't think of a modifier that
>>  >> encapsulated that idea.
>>  >> </Nicholas>
>>  >>
>>  >> <Farrukh>
>>  >> ebXML Registry is a constituant part of the Electronic Business
>>  >> using XML (ebXML) standard, which develops standards and protocols
>>  >> to support business-to-business (B2B) operations. The ebXML
>>  >> Registry TC has defined a general purpose registry service for
>>  >> publishing and discovery of arbitrary content and standardized
>>  >> metadata, known as ebXML Reg/Rep. ebXML Reg/Rep is both a registry
>>  >> and a repository.
>>  >>
>>  >> UDDI, managed by the UDDI Spec TC, is focused as a registry
>>  >> service for Web services and its artifacts.
>>  >>
>>  >> Both UDDI and ebXML Registry may be used within the organization
>>  >> and across organizations.
>>  >> </Farrukh>
>>  >>
>>  >>
>>  >> -----Original Message-----
>>  >> From: Anne Thomas Manes [mailto:anne@manes.net]
>>  >> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 7:12 AM
>>  >> To: Farrukh Najmi; regrep@lists.oasis-open.org
>>  >> Cc: Luc Clément
>>  >> Subject: Re: [regrep] UDDI FAQ entry on ebXML Registry
>>  >>
>>  >>
>>  >> Farrukh,
>>  >>
>>  >> Your characterization of UDDI is inaccurate. UDDI is a
>>  >> general-purpose
>>  >> registry. (We have a technical note that explains how to use UDDI
>>  >> as a
>>  >> registry for ebXML services.) It can also be used to register Web
>>  >> sites,
>>  >> Non-Web applications, schemas, namespaces, software assets,
>>  >> non-electronic
>>  >> services, etc. I know a number of users that use UDDI as a
>>  >> software asset
>>  >> management system.
>>  >>
>>  >> Obviously there is a tremendous amount of overlap between the
>>  >> capabilities
>>  >> of the two registries. The one significant difference between the
>>  >> two is
>>  >> that RegRep is both a registry and a repository, and UDDI is only
>>  >> a registry.
>>  >>
>>  >> Anne
>>  >>
>>  >> At 10:02 AM 1/14/2004, Farrukh Najmi wrote:
>>  >>
>>  >> >Team,
>>  >> >
>>  >> >The UDDI TC has the following question in their FAQ:
>>  >> >
>>  >> >8. How does UDDI compare with the work of the OASIS ebXML
>>  >> Registry TC?
>>  >> >
>>  >> >I was helping Luc scrub the answer to the question. With Luc's
>>  >> >permission
>>  >> >I post the latest answer below.
>>  >> >The description below seems reasonable to me. Does any one have
>  > >> any comments?
>>  >> >
>>  >> >My thanks to Luc for his responsiveness on this subject.
>>  >> >
>>  >> >BTW maybe we should consider having the exact same question and
>>  >> answer
>>  >> >in
>>  >> >our FAQ (with Luc's permission)?
>>  >> >
>>  >> >--
>>  >> >Regards,
>>  >> >Farrukh
>>  >> >
>>  >> >>ebXML Registry is a constituant part of the Electronic Business
>>  >> using
>>  >> >>XML
>>  >> >>(ebXML) standard, which develops standards and protocols to
>  > >> support
>>  >> >>business-to-business (B2B) operations. The ebXML Registry TC has
>>  >> defined
>>  >> >>a general purpose registry service for publishing and discovery
>>  >> of
>>  >> >>arbitrary content and standardized metadata, known as ebXML
>>  >> Reg/Rep.
>>  >> >>ebXML Reg/Rep is both a registry and a repository.
>>  >> >>
>>  >> >>UDDI, managed by the UDDI Spec TC, is focused as a registry
>>  >> service
>>  >> >>for
>>  >> >>Web services and its artifacts.
>>  >> >>
>>  >> >>Both UDDI and ebXML Registry may be used within the organization
>>  >> and
>>  >> >>across organizations.
>>  >> >
>>  >> >
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>>
>>  Rex Brooks
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