Re: [regrep] [Fwd: [regrep-semantic] IBM BI-ICS]

[Matthew MacKenzie <mattm@adobe.com>]

Let's face some facts here....if the specification's home is on the MSDN site, it is not open enough for incorporation to this specification.  

You have to ask yourself "If it is open, why doesn't the copyright holder donate it to a standards body so that it's future is controlled by a consensus-based exercise?".  Easy answer, from my cynical mind: Control.


On Mar 19, 2004, at 10:02 AM, Chiusano Joseph wrote:

> David RR Webber wrote:
> > Anne,
> >
> > There certainly are no hard and fast rules around standards.
>
> Depends on the domain in which you function of course - in the US
> federal domain, we point to OMB Circular A-119[1], which defines what a
> "voluntary consensus standard (VCS)" is.
>
> Joe
>
> [1] http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/circulars/a119/a119.html
>
> > However - I suspect we often clarify this by using metrics
> > that denote when things are clearly NOT an open standard -
> > such as license fees, use agreements and solely own
> > implementations.  One also expects good neighbour
> > behaviours and contributions to the better good - rather
> > than hidden agendas and clear attempts to bait-and-hook
> > or displace one practice with another.
> >
> > So - when something is obviously the equivalent of open
> > source - and indeed much open source itself - then it
> > has the possiblity of becoming recognized as a de facto
> > standard.  I'd say your WS-Addressing is looking
> > like coming under this umbrella.
> >
> > The one that I always like to reference is PKZIP of
> > course that is the exception that proves the rule(s).
> >
> > Thanks, DW.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Anne Thomas Manes" <anne@manes.net>
> > To: "Monica J. Martin" <Monica.Martin@Sun.COM>; "Chiusano Joseph"
> > <chiusano_joseph@bah.com>
> > Cc: "Farrukh Najmi" <Farrukh.Najmi@Sun.COM>; <regrep@lists.oasis-open.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 10:58 PM
> > Subject: Re: [regrep] [Fwd: [regrep-semantic] IBM BI-ICS]
> >
> > > For the most part I prefer to reference standards works as opposed to
> > > private works, but I make exception for some things -- especially when
> > they
> > > provide essential functionality AND when they contain an open copyright
> > > notice. Such is the case with WS-Addressing.
> > >
> > > WS-Addressing provides essential functionality -- a standard mechanism to
> > > reference a Web service endpoint. In my opinion, it's one of the most
> > > critical WS specifications published last year. I am not aware of any
> > > competitive effort that is currently defining this type of mechanism.
> > >
> > > And I suggest you read the copyright notice [1]. It the most open spec
> > > notice I've ever seen.
> > >
> > > [1]
> > http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnglobspec/html/ws-addressing.asp
> > > Anne
> > >
> > >
> > > At 11:01 PM 3/18/2004, Monica J. Martin wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > Chiusano: I completely agree - a perfect example is WS-Addressing,
> > which is
> > > > > > referred to in multiple emerging open specifications (too numerous to
> > > > > > mention).
> > > > >
> > > > > mm1: WS-Addressing is an emerging specification. It is not open (only
> > > > > available on a web site).
> > > >
> > > > mm2: Correction, I misread your sentence Joe. There are at least two
> > > > specifications in an open standards organization that do reference
> > > > WS-Addressing. Thanks.
> > > >
> > > >
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