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Subject: Re: [regrep] Dynamic Discovery/Binding/Invocation


Matt,

The CAM design has been worked on for three+ years - and
develops from the original Fusion of Five vision from XML/edi.
not to mention hard won fielded application in tough realworld
scenarios.

You may scoff - but fundamentally I've personally gone
through two US Patents awards - development of a
transformation product that is extensively used today - and
over fifteen years of looking at and building eBusiness
solutions.

Add to that the work experience of the CAM team
members too - and its not surprising that this is a
comprehensive solution set.

It may just look like a jumble of XML tag soup - but
there is precise purpose and reasons underpinning the
design and the approach.

I make no apologies for the fact that this thing
kicks ass hard - and also delivers on key areas of the
ebXML / ebSOA stack that were missed in the
original ebXML V1.0 roll-out.

People talked of automatic configurable business
services downloadable from the registry - but
when it came to the implementation details -
handwaving was much in evidence.

Staying focused on completing the task is
what separates out our ebXML work from
the rest.

Cheers, DW.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chiusano Joseph" <chiusano_joseph@bah.com>
To: "Matthew MacKenzie" <mattm@adobe.com>
Cc: "David RR Webber" <david@drrw.info>; <regrep@lists.oasis-open.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: [regrep] Dynamic Discovery/Binding/Invocation


> Whatever it doesn't do, BCM does.
>
> :P
> lol
>
> Matthew MacKenzie wrote:
> >
> > Wow, CAM does everything.
> >
> > Tell me David, what does it not do?
> >
> > :-)
> >
> > -Matt
> >
> > On Apr 20, 2004, at 5:11 PM, David RR Webber wrote:
> >
> >      Joe,
> >
> >      The later - dynamic interface configuration - is the domain
> >      of CAM - acting as a service of registry.
> >
> >      We can do one part of this already. Given a context
> >      configuration - you apply your context values - and
> >      CAM will adjust the interchange content accordingly.
> >
> >      Example - if you are a supplier in Canada to GM in
> >      Detroit - you need to provide cross-border shipment
> >      information - while if you are in Michigan - you don't.
> >
> >      That's the point of the work on Context for BPSS
> >      V2.0 that we have in place.
> >
> >      This then allows you to configure a catalogue of
> >      business process components into which you put -
> >      CPA, Context, BPSS and CAM templates - and
> >      when discovery occurs - the new partner can
> >      configure the Context and load the templates into
> >      their software and start using it.
> >
> >      The second part of your scenario - automatic
> >      interchange linkage is also facilitated by CAM
> >      templates - and here is where the UID mechanism
> >      is vital. This allows you to have agent software
> >      that matches UIDs in target and source nouns.
> >      Then there are the noun definitions themselves -
> >      we're working on that in SCM at the moment.
> >      That is the other piece of the puzzle needed by
> >      CAM and the agent - to be able to automatically
> >      pull the facet and predicate information for a
> >      given UID of a noun - and then apply those
> >      rules to the mapping. The OWL work in SCM
> >      is also very important to be able to classify and
> >      relate like / equivalent / and similar parts so the
> >      software agent can determine that a UID from
> >      one domain is actually related to a UID from
> >      another.
> >
> >      The peices are there - what is needed as ever
> >      is projects and funding to validate it and complete
> >      the detail implementation.
> >
> >      DW
> >
> >      ----- Original Message -----
> >      From: "Chiusano Joseph" <chiusano_joseph@bah.com>
> >      To: <regrep@lists.oasis-open.org>
> >      Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 2:29 PM
> >      Subject: [regrep] Dynamic Discovery/Binding/Invocation
> >
> >           The following question might sound silly coming from someone
who knows
> >           our spec so well, but it's a usage scenario that I just had to
begin to
> >           think about.
> >
> >           Is anyone using ebXML Registry for dynamic
discovery/binding/invocation
> >           of Web Services? More specifically:
> >
> >           - A Web Service would dynamically discover another Web
Service;
> >
> >           - It would use the discovered Web Service's interface
definitions (e.g.
> >           WSDL document) to dynamically construct message definitions
that conform
> >           to the discovered Web Service's interface definitions;
> >
> >           - It would then map its data to these messages definitions and
invoke
> >           the discovered Web Service;
> >
> >           If no one is using an ebXML Registry this way, how close are
we to this?
> >           It seems to me that the "dynamically constructed messages
definitions",
> >           and - even more so - the dynamic mapping, would be
challenging. Does
> >           this fall more under semantic technologies? If so, will it
ever be
> >           possible?
> >
> >           Thanks,
> >           Joe
> >           --
> >           Kind Regards,
> >           Joseph Chiusano
> >           Associate
> >           Booz | Allen | Hamilton
> >
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> > ___________________________
> > Matthew MacKenzie
> > Senior Architect
> > IDBU Server Solutions
> > Adobe Systems Canada Inc.
> > http://www.adobe.com/products/server/
> > mattm@adobe.com
> > +1 (506) 871.5409
>
> -- 
> Kind Regards,
> Joseph Chiusano
> Associate
> Booz | Allen | Hamilton
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