Re: [regrep] Should IBM being working with us on this?

["Farrukh S. Najmi" <farrukh@wellfleetsoftware.com>]

Breininger, Kathryn R wrote:
> I am assuming no one is serious about dropping ebXML from our name?

I think we should keep SOA out of our official name as it is is one of
many uses of regrep.

Even IBM and Oracle are now claiming ebXML support. Why should we be shy
when we have
supported it all along.

Therefor, I feel we should continue to fly the ebXML flag with pride and
keep it in our name :-)

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> *Kathryn Breininger*
> Boeing Library Services
> 425-965-0182 phone
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> *From:* David RR Webber (XML) [mailto:david@drrw.info]
> *Sent:* Monday, April 30, 2007 11:10 AM
> *To:* cmattocks@metlife.com
> *Cc:* Farrukh S. Najmi; regrep@lists.oasis-open.org; Breininger, Kathryn R
> *Subject:* RE: [regrep] Should IBM being working with us on this?
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> Carl,
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> SOA for Web Ontology?!?
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> There's a flag on that play - 15 yard penalty to the offense - 2nd down!
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>  http://blogs.zdnet.com/storage/?p=118
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> We need to keep this real. 
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> Obviously folks are only just dimly beginning to realize that registry
> is a key component of SOA - even though BCM and ebXML have been
> preaching this for years.
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> I'd prefer to give them simple obvious ROI here - such as technical
> document management / or partner management and/or transactions test
> integration suite tools.
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> I'm thinking the OASIS 60 day discussion list is a good way to get
> visibility here.
>  
> DW
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> "The way to be is to do" - Confucius (551-472 B.C.)
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>     -------- Original Message --------
>     Subject: RE: [regrep] Should IBM being working with us on this?
>     From: cmattocks@metlife.com
>     Date: Mon, April 30, 2007 1:58 pm
>     To: kathryn.r.breininger@boeing.com
>     Cc: "David RR Webber (XML)" <david@drrw.info>, "Farrukh S. Najmi"
>     <farrukh@wellfleetsoftware.com>, regrep@lists.oasis-open.org
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>     Or ... we could put 'SOA' in the title of the next  Profile for
>     Registry & Repository e.g.
>     *SOA Registry & Repository Profile for Web Ontology** *
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>     Carl Mattocks
>     Consultant : ITIL  Application Knowledge Management
>     MetLife 732 893 4170
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>     'Always look on the bright side of life' Monty Python
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>     *"Breininger, Kathryn R" <kathryn.r.breininger@boeing.com>*
>     04/30/2007 10:28 AM
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>     	"Carl Mattocks" <cmattocks@metlife.com>
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>     	"David RR Webber (XML)" <david@drrw.info>, "Farrukh S. Najmi"
>     <farrukh@wellfleetsoftware.com>, regrep@lists.oasis-open.org
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>     	RE: [regrep] Should IBM being working with us on this?
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>     Maybe what we need to do instead is more marketing of ebXML
>     registry repository, with lots of success stories!  The Webinar is
>     a start in that direction!
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>     *Kathryn Breininger*
>     Boeing Library Services
>     425-965-0182 phone
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>     *From:* Carl Mattocks [mailto:cmattocks@metlife.com] *
>     Sent:* Monday, April 30, 2007 7:28 AM*
>     To:* Breininger, Kathryn R*
>     Cc:* David RR Webber (XML); Farrukh S. Najmi;
>     regrep@lists.oasis-open.org*
>     Subject:* RE: [regrep] Should IBM being working with us on this?
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>     To help folks understand that SOA already has a Registry
>     Repository standard we could modify the name to "SOA Registry &
>     Repository"
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>     Carl Mattocks
>     Consultant : ITIL  Application Knowledge Management
>     MetLife 732 893 4170
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>     'Always look on the bright side of life' Monty Python
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>     *"Breininger, Kathryn R" <kathryn.r.breininger@boeing.com>*
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>     04/30/2007 09:59 AM
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>     	"Farrukh S. Najmi" <farrukh@wellfleetsoftware.com>, "David RR
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>     	RE: [regrep] Should IBM being working with us on this?
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>     I think we should keep the full name: ebXML Registry and
>     Repository. We
>     are branded that way now, and dropping registry would drop an
>     important
>     part of the standard.  I think it clearly says we have two things;
>     a way
>     to register and a place to store, an important (and winning!)
>     combination!
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>     Kathryn Breininger
>     Boeing Library Services
>     425-965-0182 phone
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>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: Farrukh S. Najmi [mailto:farrukh@wellfleetsoftware.com]
>     Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 6:50 AM
>     To: David RR Webber (XML)
>     Cc: regrep@lists.oasis-open.org
>     Subject: Re: [regrep] Should IBM being working with us on this?
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>     Hi David,
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>     Thanks for sharing this interesting news.
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>     The fact that UDDI does not meet the requirements of an industrial
>     strength repository is probably not a surprise many sav! vy folks
>     in the
>     user community. After all, it was never designed for that purpose
>     and in
>     fact does not even have a repository.
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>     It would be good to have discussions with IBM colleagues to explore
>     their repository requirements and how well ebXML regrep meets their
>     needs.
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>     BTW, I am guilty for suggesting that we drop the "and Repository" from
>     our original name "ebXMl Registry and Repository".
>     The rationale was that the name was a mouthful. In retrospect, I
>     think a
>     better name that was not a mouthful would have been "ebXML
>     Repository".
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>     I wonder if it is possible and whether it makes sense for us to
>     officially change our name now. It would be a clear reminder that
>     we are
>     very much a Repository standard as indicated in our TC name regrep.
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>     What do TC members think?
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>     David RR Webber (XML) wrote:
>     > FYI.  But the recent developments the past week on rr-dev on using
>     > OMAR with simpler GUI tools - maybe what! IBM needs here?
>     Sometimes a
>     > simple breakthrough can make all the difference in adoption...
>     >  
>     > I would suggest some dialogue could be critical - especially given
>     > IBMs commit to regrep for IHE/XDS - aligning on the one secure
>     > registry base would be a power play for them...
>     >  
>     > DW
>     >  
>     > IBM Calls for New SOA Registry Standard Joe McKendrick, ZDNet Blog
>     >  
>     > IBM spokespeople are saying that the UDDI standard for registries
>     > isn't cutting it, and the "time is now" for a new registry standard
>     > more focused on today's SOA realities. In the meantime, IBM will be
>     > offering a proprietary solution. In a new report in ITWeek, IBM
>     > managers state that SOAs have stretched the Universal Description,
>     > Discovery and Integration (UDDI) web services standard to the
>     limit,
>     > and that it's time for a new standard.
>     >  
>     > Burton Group's Anne Thomas Manes had just issued a report that
>     IBM's
>     > WebS! phere Service Registry and Repository
>     > (WSRR) 6.0.1 doesn't fully support UDDI, the commonly accepted
>     > standard behind SOA registries. IBM, however, says that UDDI was
>     > originally designed for Web services, which invoke point-to-point
>     > connections across the network. (In fact, it was designed to be the
>     "Yellow Pages"
>     > of the e-business world.)
>     >  
>     > But what enterprises need now is a registry standard that addresses
>     > the building-block, enterprise approach of SOA, Big Blue says. SOAs
>     > require different information about services than do Web
>     services, IBM
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>     > claimed. According to Sunil Murthy, a manager for WebSphere Service
>     > Registry and Repository at IBM's Software Group, UDDI will not
>     allow
>     > for role-based access to services, does not let companies manage a
>     > service's life cycle to enable governance, and does not allow for
>     > services to be searched. The IBM re! presentatives quoted in the
>     article
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>     > could not predict what a new registry standard would or should look
>     > like, but said vendors should take their time in sorting things out.
>     > http://blogs.zdnet.com/service-oriented/?p=864
>     > See also Burton:
>     >
>     http://searchwebservices.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid26
>     > _gci1252107,00.html
>     >
>     > "The way to be is to do" - Confucius (551-472 B.C.)
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>     Farrukh
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