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Subject: Re: [saml-dev] SAML, trust and WS.
> I'll leave as an exercise for the reader to ask about the > viability of "web services" if nobody can figure out how to do > stuff this basic with all the specs out there. I think that's a > telling problem. > > -- Scott i agree. i think there _is_ a problem somewhere. going by my own experience, the developers on the saml 1.1 project i recently joined : a) were overwhelmed by the complexity and richness of the specs (saml 1.1/ws-security/ws-federation). so they, therefore... b) ...didn't take time to truly understand the specs; which led to them being... c) ...confused by all the different specs that use saml (liberty vs ws-federation vs ws-security vs pure saml vs shibboleth vs...) d) were up against tight deadlines and implemented whatever they could get working in the shortest period of time (and in the process threw a lot of the specs out the window). e) were just plain misinformed in the organization i work for, i am considered a freak because i actually read and refer to the specs! there is a dirth of good books on the subject for one thing. i was given a book (Securing Web Services with WS-Security - Rosenberg & Remy) by the lead developer of my current project. it was supposed to help me get up to speed on saml. to be fair, that book does have some good nuggets of info. but the more i read it, the more confused i became. and when i refered to the specs to try to get some clarification, i discovered that book has loads of incorrect information! i can only speak from my own experience, but i think there is a lot of confusion/misunderstanding/hype of what can and can't be done with saml and not enough best practice examples to guide implementations. scott, your draft proves that if people read the specs thoroughly and really _grok_ what the specs prescribe then they might find that the answers to their problems were right there all the time. will
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