RE: [saml-dev] the value of AuthnInstant

["Ari Kermaier" <ari.kermaier@oracle.com>]

I would guess that either most IdPs get it right or most SPs don't check. Also, implementers probably wonder (as I guess you did) what the difference is between Assertion IssueInstant and AuthnStatement AuthnInstant.

::Ari

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Scavo [mailto:trscavo@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 8:23 PM
> To: Eve Maler
> Cc: SAML Developers
> Subject: Re: [saml-dev] the value of AuthnInstant
> 
> 
> Thanks, Eve.  I wasn't sure.
> 
> Thinking out loud, I wonder how many implementations get this right?
> 
> Tom
> 
> On Feb 7, 2008 7:48 PM, Eve Maler <Eve.Maler@sun.com> wrote:
> > It's t1, isn't it?  One assertion, issued at time t2, and another,
> > issued at time t4, will both indicate that the user authenticated at
> > time t1 -- assuming that authn session is still good, of 
> course (e.g.,
> > re-authn isn't being forced).
> >
> >         Eve
> >
> >
> > On Feb 7, 2008, at 4:04 PM, Tom Scavo wrote:
> >
> > > Suppose a user presents an AuthnRequest to an IdP at time 
> t0.  Since
> > > the user has no security context initially, the IdP challenges the
> > > user to authenticate, which the user does successfully 
> (at time t1).
> > > So the IdP issues an assertion (at time t2), which the 
> user transmits
> > > to the SP via the browser.
> > >
> > > At some later time t3, the user presents another 
> AuthnRequest to the
> > > IdP.  Since the user already has a security context, the 
> IdP does not
> > > challenge the user to authenticate, but rather issues an 
> assertion (at
> > > time t4), which again the user transmits to the SP.
> > >
> > > Question: What is the value of AuthnInstant in the second 
> assertion?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Tom
> > >
> > > 
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