Re: [sca-assembly] Issue 101: Complete the Conformance Section - Comments on Proposal

[Jeff Mischkinsky <jeff.mischkinsky@oracle.com>]

On Mar 02, 2009, at 3:43 AM, Mike Edwards wrote:

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> Folks,
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> Some comments on the proposal:
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> 1)  I think that making a series of SCA-related documents into  
> conformance points, as per section 12.1,  is unnecessary and unwise.

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> The only point of making these documents into conformance points is  
> if it is intended to write testcase(s) that will validate those
> documents.  I do not believe that we have the resources to write  
> such testcases and as a result, the conformance demands made
> here are a waste of time and effort.
>
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> What matters is what an SCA runtime does with the documents - we  
> have that fully specified - and we have testcases for these claims.

This argument doesn't make sense to me.

Where do we specify what documents it has to process and which ones it  
doesn't. If the specs define it implicitly, then what's the harm of  
making the definition explicit? If they don't, then we have a big hole  
i think.

The purpose from me perspective is not about producing more tests, but  
in making sure we are clear in the specs.

cheers,
   jeff



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> 2) Form of the conformance statement for documents is incorrect.
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> Should read as follows
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> "An SCA Composite Document is a file that MUST have an SCA  
> <composite/> element as its root element and MUST conform
> to the sca-core-1.1.xsd schema and MUST comply with the additional  
> constraints on the document contents as defined in
> Appendix C."
>
>
> 3) "SCA Interoperable Packaging document"
>
> This terminology is not used in the spec.  "Contribution Packaging  
> using ZIP Packaging format" would be correct.
>
> Also the normative statement "A ZIP file containing SCA Documents  
> and other related artifacts which MUST have a
> SCA Contribution Document as a top level element."  is simply  
> incorrect.
>
> Section 11.2.3 states clearly that "it can contain a top-level "META- 
> INF" directory and a "META-INF/sca-contribution.xml" file
> and there can also be a "META-INF/sca-contribution-generated.xml"  
> file in the package."
> - so the contribution file is NOT mandatory and it is certainly not  
> "top level".
>
>
> 4) Item 4 in Section 12.2 - Requirement to implement the Web  
> services binding.
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> I'd prefer a looser requirement to implement ONE of the adopted  
> bindings.  Forcing Web services in all cases seems more
> than is necessary to me.
>
>
> Yours,  Mike.
>
> Strategist - Emerging Technologies, SCA & SDO.
> Co Chair OASIS SCA Assembly TC.
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> From:
> "Martin Chapman" <martin.chapman@oracle.com>
> To:
> "'Bryan Aupperle'" <aupperle@us.ibm.com>, "'OASIS Assembly'" <sca-assembly@lists.oasis-open.org 
> >
> Date:
> 26/02/2009 14:33
> Subject:
> RE: [sca-assembly] Issue 101: Complete the Conformance Section
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> Bryan,
>
> Fair point. Here is another take. I have also put them into the SCA  
> Assembly TC document archive, as I mistakenly put the first  
> versions  in the Bindings TC!
>
> WORD: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/download.php/31432/sca-assembly-1%5B1%5D.1-spec-cd02-Rev5%20-%20ISSUE%20101%20v2.doc
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> PDF: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/download.php/31433/sca-assembly-1%5B1%5D.1-spec-cd02-Rev5%20-%20ISSUE%20101%20v2.pdf
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> Martin.
>
> From: Bryan Aupperle [mailto:aupperle@us.ibm.com]
> Sent: 24 February 2009 19:57
> To: 'OASIS Assembly'
> Subject: Re: [sca-assembly] Issue 101: Complete the Conformance  
> Section
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>
> I am a little surprised, given your rather persuasive argument in  
> the Java TC a couple of weeks ago, that you did not include a  
> contribution as a conformance target.  It seems to me that if a  
> contribution is going to conform to a C&I spec, it must also conform  
> to the assembly spec.
>
> Bryan Aupperle, Ph.D.
> STSM, WebSphere Enterprise Platform Software Solution Architect
>
> Research Triangle Park,  NC
> +1 919-254-7508 (T/L 444-7508)
> Internet Address: aupperle@us.ibm.com
> "Martin Chapman" <martin.chapman@oracle.com>
> 02/24/2009 08:33 AM
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> A proposal can be found at:
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> WORD: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-bindings/download.php/31382/sca-assembly-1%5B1%5D.1-spec-cd02-Rev5%20-%20ISSUE%20101.doc
> PDF: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-bindings/download.php/31383/sca-assembly-1%5B1%5D.1-spec-cd02-Rev5%20-%20ISSUE%20101.pdf
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> Martin.
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