[12:32] anish eric, r u also going to slap us with 'architecture astronauts'
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[11:55] Simon Holdsworth: Audio conference: Meeting Number: * 913929 * (press * before and after the digits) Phone numbers: Austria = Vienna 026822056419 Belgium = Brussels 022901709 China = Beijing 01052237296 Czech Republic = Prague 239014054 Denmark = Copenhagen 32714982 France = Lyon 0426840196 Marseille 0488915310 Paris 0170994364 France TollFree = 0800944795 Germany = Berlin 030726167296 Dusseldorf 021154073845 Frankfurt 069710445413 Hamburg 040809020620 Munich 089244432767 Stuttgart 0711490813212 Germany TollFree = 08006646304 India = Mumbai 02261501417 Ireland = Dublin 014367612 Italy = Milan 0230413007 Rome 06452108288 Turin 01121792100 Japan = Tokyo 0357675037 Netherlands = Amsterdam 0207965349 Poland Toll-free = 008001213648 Portugal Toll Free = 800782079 Russia = Moscow 84999222481 Russia Toll Free = 81080022074011 South Africa Toll-free = 0800982617 Spain = Barcelona 934923140 Madrid 917889793 Sweden = Stockholm 0850520404 Switzerland = Geneva 0225927186 UAE Toll-free = 8000440387 UK = Birmingham 01212604587 London 02071542988 Manchester 01612500379 UK Toll Free = 08003581667 USA = 19543344789 USA & Canada Toll Free = 18665289390
[11:55] Simon Holdsworth: Agenda
[11:56] Simon Holdsworth: 1. Opening Introductions Roll call Scribe assignment Top of the scribe list: Khanderao Kand Oracle Corporation Plamen Pavlov SAP AG Simon Nash Individual Ashok Malhotra Oracle Corporation Bryan Aupperle IBM Piotr Przybylski IBM Eric Johnson TIBCO Software Inc. Anish Karmarkar Oracle Corporation David Booz IBM Martin Chapman Oracle Corporation Agenda bashing 2. Approval of the minutes from 16th July http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/33433/SCA%20Bindings%20minutes%202009-07-16.doc 3. Actions 20090211-4 [General] Write up HTTP binding use cases 20090709-2 [Editors] Update the schema appendix title to include 1.1 20090716-1 [Anish Karmarkar] Send email to assembly mailing list regarding RDDL update 20090716-2 [Anish Karmarkar] Produce RDDL document for WS callback schema 20090716-3 [Simon Holdsworth] Post refreshed version of proposal to resolve issue BINDINGS-48 4. New Issues No new issues 5. Test Assertions/Test cases Discuss status of production of initial working drafts of test assertions for each binding. 6. Open issue discussion http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-48 How are mayProvide intents on bindings satisfied Raiser: Ashok Malhotra, owner: Simon Holdsworth Priority: 3 Status: Proposed resolution: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200903/msg00005.html Latest email: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200903/msg00059.html http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-60 JMS Default wire format insufficient to cover real world usage Raiser: Mike Edwards, owner: Simon Holdsworth Priority: 3 (deferred) Status: outline proposal in issue 7. AOB
[11:57] Bryan Aupperle: Scribe: Bryan
[12:03] Bryan Aupperle: Meeting is quorate (66%)
[12:03] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: Agenda Bashing
[12:04] Bryan Aupperle: Agenda is accepted
[12:05] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: Approval of minutes
[12:05] Bryan Aupperle: Resolution: Minutes are approved
[12:05] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: Action Items
[12:05] Bryan Aupperle: 20090211-4: Pending
[12:05] Bryan Aupperle: 20090709-2: Pending
[12:06] Martin C "when" not "if"
[12:07] Bryan Aupperle: 20090716-1: Done and changes approved by Assembly TC. Anish to communicate Assembly TC decision to Mary.
[12:07] Bryan Aupperle: 20090716-2: Done since a new RDDL document is not needed (the schema is in the main SCA namespace).
[12:08] Bryan Aupperle: 20090716-3 Done (no changes needed)
[12:08] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: Test Assertions/Test cases
[12:09] Bryan Aupperle: Call to action for TC members to create test assertion documents
[12:10] Bryan Aupperle: Simon H. will take on JMS
[12:11] Bryan Aupperle: Anish prepared to help with WS.
[12:13] Tom Rutt: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly-testing/download.php/32965/sca-assembly-1.1-testcases-cd01.html
[12:14] Bryan Aupperle: Eric: Could we have link to the Assembly Test Assertions doc.?
[12:15] anish: Assembly TA html format: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly-testing/download.php/32964/sca-assembly-1.1-test-assertions-cd01.html
[12:15] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: Bindings-48
[12:15] Dave Booz thanks Anish, that's it
[12:15] Bryan Aupperle: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-48 How are mayProvide intents on bindings satisfied
[12:15] Bryan Aupperle: Proposed resolution: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200903/msg00005.html Latest email: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200903/msg00059.html
[12:16] anish: PDF version of assembly TA doc: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly-testing/download.php/32963/sca-assembly-1.1-test-assertions-cd01.pdf
[12:20] Bryan Aupperle: Simon H. reviews issue and proposal
[12:24] anish: why do the intents have to be in mayProvides ?
[12:25] Bryan Aupperle: Ashok/Dave reference e-mail chain
[12:26] Bryan Aupperle: Simon H. notes the chain starts with his reaction to Mike Edwards concerns over conflicting intents and configuration.
[12:28] Bryan Aupperle: Eric: Configuration and intents are different mental spaces, so perhaps this should be done by defining proper intents.
[12:29] Bryan Aupperle: Ashok: Policy provides rich way for intents to be defined including mutual exclusivity.
[12:30] Dave Booz: there's this from the WS spec: The SCA runtime MUST raise an error if a web service binding is configured with a policy intent(s) that conflicts with the binding instance's configuration. [BWS20037]
[12:30] Bryan Aupperle: Anish: SOAP intent in binding.ws crosses the boundary of potential configurations for bindings.
[12:32] anish eric, r u also going to slap us with 'architecture astronauts'
[12:32] Bryan Aupperle: Eric: Not always going to be possible to have intents and configuration completely separate.
[12:33] Bryan Aupperle: Eric: Policy may be too heavy a hammer to use.
[12:35] Bryan Aupperle: Bryan: Vendors can define additional bindingTypes with different subsets of the intents defined in this spec. So we are not limiting vendors.
[12:38] Bryan Aupperle: Dave/Ashok debate what goes in @myaProvides
[12:38] Bryan Aupperle: Ashok: Non_Persistent should be an intent.
[12:39] Bryan Aupperle: Simon H. alternative is to remove @JMSDeliveryMode
[12:42] Bryan Aupperle: Ashok: Every configuration option should be an intent.
[12:43] Bryan Aupperle: Dave: That will be a hard sell: Look at wsdlElement in WS binding, that is pure configuration not policy.
[12:49] Bryan Aupperle: Anish: Why would the intents be in mayProvides as opposed to alwaysProvides?
[12:50] Bryan Aupperle: Simon H. Spirit was to allow either. Proposal text should be updated.
[12:52] Bryan Aupperle: Dave: Need to accept proposal because it adds the normative statement about MUST have JMS in alwaysProvides. And missing normative statements in current section 3.
[12:53] Bryan Aupperle: Simon H. need separate issue about potentially removing @JMSDeliveryMode
[12:54] anish: s/The following standard intents can also be supported by JMS binding implementations, by inclusion in the @mayProvides attribute of the JMS bindingType/The following standard intents can also be supported by JMS binding implementations, by inclusion in the @mayProvides or @alwaysProvides attribute of the JMS bindingType/
[12:55] Bryan Aupperle: Motion: Dave, second Ashok: Resolve Bindings-48 with proposal in e-mail as amended with Anish's observation that intents could be in either alwaysProvides or mayProvides.
[12:55] anish: email: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200903/msg00005.html
[12:56] Bryan Aupperle: Resolution: Motion passes w/o
[12:57] Bryan Aupperle: Action (Ashok) Raise issue regarding removing @JMSDeliveryMode and creating an non-persistent intent.
[12:58] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: AOB
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