Simon Holdsworth: Audio conference:
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Simon Holdsworth: 1. Opening
Introductions
Roll call
Scribe assignment
Top of the scribe list:
Khanderao Kand Oracle Corporation (current non-voting)
Plamen Pavlov SAP AG
Simon Nash Individual
Piotr Przybylski IBM
Anish Karmarkar Oracle Corporation
David Booz IBM
Martin Chapman Oracle Corporation
Tom Rutt Fujitsu Limited
Bryan Aupperle IBM
Eric Johnson TIBCO Software Inc.
Agenda bashing
2. Approval of the minutes from 27th August
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/33973/SCA%20Bindings%20minutes%202009-08-27.doc
3. Actions
20090211-4 [General] Write up HTTP binding use cases
20090709-2 [Editors] Update the schema appendix title to include 1.1
20090820-1 [Simon Holdsworth] Propose a resolution to BINDINGS-85.
20090820-2 [Simon Holdsworth] Look at the templating mechanism with respect to policy.
20090827-1 [Anish Karmarkar] Create draft of TA doc for WS binding
20090827-2 [Simon Holdsworth] Follow-up on owner for JCA TA document
20090827-3 [Simon Holdsworth] Complete JMS TA document
20090827-4 [Anish Karmarkar] Create draft response to public review comment from MS
4. New Issues
No new issues
5. Test Assertions/Test cases
Current status:
Web Service binding TA document: no progress; Anish to provide initial draft
JMS TA document: initial draft, Simon needs to complete and respond to comments.
JCA TC document: no progress; need to identify owner
6. Open issue discussion
One open issue, one deferred:
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-85
non_Persistent Should be an Intent
Raiser: Ashok Malhotra, owner: Simon Holdsworth
Priority: Unassigned
Status: awaiting proposed resolution
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-87
Web Service callback standard is best done by the appropriate Web Services working groups
Public review comment from http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings-comment/200908/msg00000.html
Raiser: PR Comment Owner: Unassigned
Priority: Unassigned
Status: awaiting proposed resolution
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-60
JMS Default wire format insufficient to cover real world usage
Raiser: Mike Edwards, owner: Simon Holdsworth
Priority: 3 (deferred)
Status: outline proposal in issue
7. HTTP binding
Assess TC's opinions on proceeding with the HTTP binding
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/30138/sca-binding-http-1.1-spec-wd01.doc
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/30139/sca-binding-http-1.1-spec-wd01.pdf
8. AOB
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Martin C: Scribe: Martin C
Martin C: Meeting not yet quorate
Martin C: Topic: Action items
Martin C: Topic: Action items
Martin C: Topic: Action items
Martin C: 20090827-4 [Anish Karmarkar] Create draft response to public review comment from MS
Martin C: Has been done, email sent to list.
Martin C: remaining are pending
Martin C: Mike E makes us quorate
Martin C: Topic: Agenda
Martin C: Approved
Martin C: Approved
Martin C: Approved
Martin C: Topic: Minutes
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Martin C: minutes from 27th August
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/33973/SCA%20Bindings%20minutes%202009-08-27.doc
Martin C: no comments on minutes, no objections to approving.
Martin C: Topic: Test Assertion/Test Cases
Martin C: Still waiting for draft from Anish for web-service bindings, he is working on it (honest)
Martin C: Simon not started JMS, not chased up JCS.
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Martin C: s/JCS/JCA/
Martin C: Topic: Open Issues
Martin C: Bindings-87
Martin C: Draft response from Anish
Simon Holdsworth: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200909/msg00000.html
Martin C: Anish goes over his proposal.
Martin C: response in two parts, first part shouldnt be controversial.
Martin C: Make it clear that this is just SCA callback, supporting the SCA Assembly model
Martin C: This TC, nor any other current TC has scope to do general purpose ws-callback spec.
anish: Thanks for taking the time to review the specification, sending your public review comment [1], and for sharing you thoughts. They are much appreciated.
The public review comment at [1] suggests that:
"... the work of defining a Web Service callback standard is best done by the appropriate Web Services working groups in OASIS in the broadest scope possible. This will foster a general interoperable mechanism for all architectures and programming models that use standard Web Services protocols on the wire."
There is a misunderstanding on the commenter's part that the SCA Web Services Binding defines a (generally applicable) "Web Service callback standard." The binding defines an *SCA* Web service callback protocol standard that provides the wire-level details for implementing an SCA callback defined by the SCA Assembly specification [2]. [2] defines a callback mechanism that satisfies the needs of the SCA Assembly model and is not meant to satisfy general purpose callback requirements with a broadest scope possible. Furthermore, there does not exist any other OASIS Web Services Working Group or a Technical Committee that specializes in Web Services that has callbacks in its charter scope. This TC *does* specialize in Web services and is chartered to produce a Web services binding for SCA.
This TC does believe that it should define an interoperable Web services protocol that implements SCA callback and it has done that. It does not believe that it is in the scope or interest of this TC to define a callback protocol for all architectures and programming models.
WRT your comment about SCA Assembly specification Section 7.4, we respectfully request you to share that feedback with the SCA Assembly TC [3], as the SCA Assembly specification is not owned by and is not in scope for this TC.
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Martin C: Martin: so this is a proposal to close no action with a respose as worded.
Martin C: The next part of the response might be more controversial.
Martin C: If want non sca clients to interact with sca services using callbacks, then might want to put the callback into its own document, whithout changing any semantics.
Martin C: Anish: notes that even without a doc split, the conformance section might need changing
Martin C: Eric: addressing the use case of non-sca clients does walk into the more general territory alluded to by MS
Martin C: Anish: we dont have to figure this out in order to respond to MS
Martin C: Mike E: why do we need this in the response to MS. The addition was confusing, but its a very differnt issue, and will make it worse.
Martin C: +1
Martin C: Motion: Anish, 2nd Ashok : close no action issue-87 and send the response as pasted above to the issue submitter
Martin C: Passed w/o
Martin C: Action: Simon H to send the response to ISSUE-87 to Issue submitter
Martin C: Topic: test Assertions (revisted)
Martin C: Peter wont be able to work on the JCA Test assertion doc until mid-oct, so is there a volunteer to draft one?
Martin C: no one came forth.
Martin C: AOB
Martin C: stragglers
Martin C: Meeting closed