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Subject: Chat log for 24 Sep.
[11:57] Simon Holdsworth: Audio conference: Meeting Number: * 913929 * (press * before and after the digits) Phone numbers: Austria = Vienna 026822056419 Belgium = Brussels 022901709 China = Beijing 01052237296 Czech Republic = Prague 239014054 Denmark = Copenhagen 32714982 France = Lyon 0426840196 Marseille 0488915310 Paris 0170994364 France TollFree = 0800944795 Germany = Berlin 030726167296 Dusseldorf 021154073845 Frankfurt 069710445413 Hamburg 040809020620 Munich 089244432767 Stuttgart 0711490813212 Germany TollFree = 08006646304 India = Mumbai 02261501417 Ireland = Dublin 014367612 Italy = Milan 0230413007 Rome 06452108288 Turin 01121792100 Japan = Tokyo 0357675037 Netherlands = Amsterdam 0207965349 Poland Toll-free = 008001213648 Portugal Toll Free = 800782079 Russia = Moscow 84999222481 Russia Toll Free = 81080022074011 South Africa Toll-free = 0800982617 Spain = Barcelona 934923140 Madrid 917889793 Sweden = Stockholm 0850520404 Switzerland = Geneva 0225927186 UAE Toll-free = 8000440387 UK = Birmingham 01212604587 London 02071542988 Manchester 01612500379 UK Toll Free = 08003581667 USA = 19543344789 USA & Canada Toll Free = 18665289390
[11:57] Simon Holdsworth: Agenda
[11:57] Simon Holdsworth: 1. Opening Introductions Roll call Scribe assignment Top of the scribe list: Plamen Pavlov SAP AG Simon Nash Individual Piotr Przybylski IBM Anish Karmarkar Oracle Corporation Tom Rutt Fujitsu Limited Bryan Aupperle IBM Eric Johnson TIBCO Software Inc. Ashok Malhotra Oracle Corporation Martin Chapman Oracle Corporation David Booz IBM Agenda bashing 2. Approval of the minutes from 17th September http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34332/SCA%20Bindings%20minutes%202009-09-17.doc 3. LOA requests 4. Actions 20090211-4 [General] Write up HTTP binding use cases 20090709-2 [Editors] Update the schema appendix title to include 1.1 20090820-2 [Simon Holdsworth] Look at the templating mechanism with respect to policy. 20090827-1 [Anish Karmarkar] Complete WS TA document, target 24/09/09 20090827-3 [Simon Holdsworth] Complete JMS TA document, target 24/09/09 20090917-1 [Simon Holdsworth] Send updated proposal to issue BINDINGS-85 20090917-2 [Simon Holdsworth] Update proposed resolution to issue BINDINGS-90 with normative statements for defaults as per assembly spec 5. New Issues No new issues 6. Test Assertions/Test cases Current status: Web Service binding TA document: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34127/sca-wsbinding-1.1-test-assertions-wd01.odt http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34128/sca-wsbinding-1.1-test-assertions-wd01.pdf Status: initial draft submitted and discussed; Anish to complete draft JMS TA document: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34393/sca-jmsbinding-1.1-test-assertions-wd02.doc http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34394/sca-jmsbinding-1.1-test-assertions-wd02.pdf Comment: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200907/msg00093.html Status: Simon needs to respond to comments, raise issues, latest draft needs review. JCA TA document: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34114/sca-jcabinding-1.1-test-assertions-wd03.doc http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34115/sca-jcabinding-1.1-test-assertions-wd03.pdf Comment: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200909/msg00011.html Status: initial draft submitted; needs to be reviewed 7. Open issue discussion Six open issues, one deferred: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-85 non_Persistent Should be an Intent Raiser: Ashok Malhotra, owner: Simon Holdsworth Priority: Unassigned Status: awaiting updated proposed resolution http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-88 JCA Missing Normative statements re: connection/@name andactivationSpec/@name Raiser: Bryan Aupperle, owner: Unassigned Priority: Unassigned Status: proposed resolution in issue http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-89 BJC20008 and BJC20014 are unclear Raiser: Bryan Aupperle, owner: Unassigned Priority: Unassigned Status: proposed resolution in issue http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-90 no defaults for JMS headers Raiser: Simon Holdsworth, owner: Simon Holdsworth Priority: Unassigned Status: Requires updated proposed resolution http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-91 BWS20004 incorrectly talks about 'available ports forthe reference' rather than '... reference binding'. Raiser: Anish Karmarkar, owner: Anish Karmarmar Priority: Unassigned Status: Proposed resolution in issue http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-92 BWS20010 and BWS20014 need to be specific to the reference binding Raiser: Anish Karmarkar, owner: Anish Karmarmar Priority: Unassigned Status: Proposed resolution in issue http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-60 JMS Default wire format insufficient to cover real world usage Raiser: Mike Edwards, owner: Simon Holdsworth Priority: 3 (deferred) Status: outline proposal in issue 8. AOB
[12:00] Mike Edwards: How would 5 Kilos of Gold sound to you guys?
[12:01] Mike Edwards: a guy out using a metal detector discovered that in a field in central England...
[12:01] Bryan Aupperle: Scribe: Bryan Aupperle
[12:02] Martin C: did they rule he could keep it yet or not?
[12:02] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: Agenda Bashing
[12:03] Bryan Aupperle: There are some new issues to discuss
[12:03] Mike Edwards: he can't keep it - but he will get a reward
[12:03] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: Approval of Minutes
[12:03] Bryan Aupperle: Minutes approved w/o
[12:03] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: LOA requests
[12:05] Bryan Aupperle: Simon: Three overlapping requests including 8 Oct. may be light on attendance but will keep meeting on the calendar.
[12:06] Simon Holdsworth: Khanderao: 30/09 - 14/10 01/10 08/10 Ashok: 06/10 - 18/10 08/10 15/10 Martin: 30/09 - 14/10 01/10 08/10
[12:06] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: Action Items
[12:07] Bryan Aupperle: 20090827-3 - Done
[12:07] Bryan Aupperle: 20090917-1 - Done
[12:08] Bryan Aupperle: All others pending
[12:08] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: New Issues
[12:08] Simon Holdsworth: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-93
[12:08] Bryan Aupperle: Bindings-93
[12:09] Bryan Aupperle: Simon presents issue
[12:12] Bryan Aupperle: Motion: Eric, second Mike - Open Bindings-93
[12:12] Bryan Aupperle: Resolution: Motions passes w/o
[12:12] Bryan Aupperle: Bindings-94
[12:12] Simon Holdsworth: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-94
[12:13] Bryan Aupperle: Simon presents issue
[12:16] Bryan Aupperle: Motion: Mike, second Bryan - Open Bindings-94
[12:16] Bryan Aupperle: Resolution: motion passes w/o
[12:16] Bryan Aupperle: Bindings-95
[12:16] Simon Holdsworth: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-95
[12:16] Bryan Aupperle: Simon presents issue
[12:18] Bryan Aupperle: Motion: Bryan, second Eric - Open Bindings-95
[12:19] Bryan Aupperle: Resolution: motion passes w/o
[12:19] Bryan Aupperle: Bindings-96
[12:19] Bryan Aupperle: Simon presents issue
[12:22] Simon Holdsworth: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-96
[12:23] Bryan Aupperle: Mike: What are the "normal" rules identified in the last sentence?
[12:25] Bryan Aupperle: Simon: This is just a paraphrase of the the normative statement.
[12:26] Bryan Aupperle: Motion: Mike, second Bryan - Open Bindings-96
[12:26] Bryan Aupperle: Resolution: motion passes w/o
[12:27] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: Test Assertions/Testcases
[12:28] Bryan Aupperle: Simon: JMS Test Assertions (initial draft) are all written. Dave's comment on first portion needs to be addressed. Document needs review
[12:29] Bryan Aupperle: Simon: JCA Test Assertions are all written. Document needs review
[12:29] Bryan Aupperle: Simon: WS Test Assertions are partially written. Anish to complete. Then document will need review.
[12:30] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: Bindings-85 http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-85 non_Persistent Should be an Intent
[12:30] Simon Holdsworth: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200909/msg00068.html
[12:30] Bryan Aupperle: Simon reviews proposal
[12:33] Bryan Aupperle: Mike: Are parameters like deliveryMode really policy options? But JMS does not have a way to attach policy like web services does.
[12:34] Bryan Aupperle: Simon: We have previously concluded we do not want to invent a policy language for JMS. But yes deliveryMode and the like do seem like policy.
[12:36] Bryan Aupperle: Eric: JMS has odd interactions between Qualities of Service, transactions, acknowledgments, etc. Not really possible to separate and clearly map to intents.
[12:38] Bryan Aupperle: Eric: Even in Web Services policies can overlap.
[12:39] Bryan Aupperle: Simon: We do a couple of odd things wrt policy already due to JMS limitations.
[12:40] Bryan Aupperle: Simon: Proposal simply clarifies the relationships and what is not is not addressed.
[12:41] Bryan Aupperle: Eric: Message priorities can also come into play.
[12:41] Bryan Aupperle: Eric: The text would be stronger with a specific reference into policy spec.
[12:42] Bryan Aupperle: Simon: We have resisted that so far.
[12:42] Bryan Aupperle: Simon: Specific references make it easier to get out of sync between the specs.
[12:45] Bryan Aupperle: Motion: Bryan, second Mike - Resolve Bindings-85 with proposal in message 68.
[12:45] Bryan Aupperle: Resolution: motion passes w/o
[12:46] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-91 BWS20004 incorrectly talks about 'available ports for the reference' rather than '... reference binding'.
[12:46] Bryan Aupperle: Proposal in JIRA.
[12:48] Bryan Aupperle: Simon summarizes discussion from last week.
[12:49] Bryan Aupperle: Motion: Bryan, second Eric - Resolve Bindings-91 with proposal in JIRA
[12:50] Bryan Aupperle: Eric: Notes that the '*'s will be removed by editors.
[12:50] Bryan Aupperle: Resolution: motion passes w/o
[12:50] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-92 BWS20010 and BWS20014 need to be specific to the reference binding
[12:50] Bryan Aupperle: Simon summarizes discussion from last week.
[12:52] Bryan Aupperle: Motion: Eric, second Mike- Resolve Bindings-91 with proposal in JIRA.
[12:52] Bryan Aupperle: Eric: Notes that the '*'s will be removed by editors.
[12:53] Bryan Aupperle: Resolution: motion passes w/o
[12:53] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: AOB
[12:54] Bryan Aupperle: Straggler role - Plamen, Dave.
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