Minutes Raw Text for TC Meeting of 4th March

[Mike Edwards <mike_edwards@uk.ibm.com>]

Agenda
1. Opening 

Introductions 
Roll call 

Scribe assignment 

Top of the scribe list: 
Plamen Pavlov SAP AG 
Tom Rutt Fujitsu Limited 
Ashok Malhotra Oracle Corporation 
Martin Chapman Oracle Corporation 
David Booz IBM 
Eric Johnson TIBCO Software Inc. 
Laurent Domenech TIBCO Software Inc.

Bryan Aupperle IBM 
Anish Karmarkar Oracle Corporation 

Agenda bashing 

2. Approval of the minutes from 25th
February: 

http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/36574/SCA%20Bindings%20minutes%202010-02-25.doc


3. Actions 

20090211-4 [General] Write up HTTP binding
use cases 
20090709-2 [Editors] Update the WS binding
schema appendix title to include 1.1 
20091015-8 [Editors] Re: BINDINGS-99
point #8 - look at whether the non-normative references section is relevant
still, or needs to be populated (WS binding) 
20091015-9 [Editors] Re: BINDINGS-99
point #9 - clean up naming conventions section (WS binding) 
20091015-10 [Editors] Re: BINDINGS-99
point #10 - look for cleanup to clarify optionality (WS binding) 
20091015-12 [Editors] Re: BINDINGS-99
point #16 - mark Annexes as normative or not as appropriate (all specs)

20100218-2 [Editors] Make corresponding
changes in WS spec as per http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200912/msg00013.html


4. New Issues 

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-124

No conformance target for non-SCA runtimes
that want to implement SCA WS Callback Protocol 

5. Discuss proposed TC schedule 

Updated following discussion on call
of 25th Feb 
Consider date by which open issues are
to be closed or deferred; also consider raising open vote to 2/3. 

4th March: Focus on issues 87, 118 
11th March: Focus on issues 111, 120,
121, 122, 123; bindings specs and TA documents updated for all currently
resolved issues and ready for review for cd review. 
18th March: cd vote on bindings specs
and TA documents; discuss production of test case documents/test cases

25th March: Submit cd04 of bindings
specs for second public review; Initial test case documents and test cases
prepared for discussion/review 
22nd April: Test cases complete 
29th April: Submit cd01 of TA documents
and test cases for public review 

6. Test Assertions/Test cases 

Current status: 

Overall: Awaiting current set of issues
to be resolved and applied, at which point editors will need to update
TA docs and then we can review them with the aim of getting to CD. 

Web Service binding TA document: 
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34571/sca-wsbinding-1.1-test-assertions-wd02.odt

http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34572/sca-wsbinding-1.1-test-assertions-wd02.pdf

Status: Draft completed and issues raised;
needs to be updated for resolved issues 

JMS TA document: 
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/36374/sca-jmsbinding-1.1-test-assertions-wd05.doc

http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/36375/sca-jmsbinding-1.1-test-assertions-wd05.pdf

Status: Needs final tidy up for cd review


JCA TA document: 
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/36155/sca-jcabinding-1.1-test-assertions-wd04.doc

http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/36156/sca-jcabinding-1.1-test-assertions-wd04.pdf

Comment: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200909/msg00011.html

Status: Needs to be updated for resolved
issues 

7. Open issue discussion 

Public review comment issues: 

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-87

Web Service callback standard is best
done by the appropriate Web Services working groups 
Raiser: PR comment, owner: Unassigned

Priority: 1 (PR comment needing disposition)

Status: latest email: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200911/msg00001.html


Other open issues: 

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-111

binding.jms uses JMS URI scheme even
though it is not a valid IETF internet draft 
Raiser: Eric Johnson, owner: Unassigned

Priority: Unassigned 
Status: Pending response from Oracle
with respect to approval of the IETF draft 

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-118

BWS40005 is ambiguous 
Raiser: Anish Karmarkar, owner: Unassigned

Priority: Unassigned 
Status: Proposal in email: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/201002/msg00088.html


http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-120

Missing normative statements for JCA
@uri 
Raiser: Simon Holdsworth, owner: Simon
Holdsworth 
Priority: Unassigned 
Status: Propsed resolution in JIRA 

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-121

Missing normative statements for binding.jca
inboundOperation 
Raiser: Simon Holdsworth, owner: Simon
Holdsworth 
Priority: Unassigned 
Status: Propsed resolution in JIRA 

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-122

Missing normative statements for binding.jca
outboundInteraction 
Raiser: Simon Holdsworth, owner: Simon
Holdsworth 
Priority: Unassigned 
Status: Propsed resolution in JIRA 

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-123

Missing normative statements for @type
attributes 
Raiser: Simon Holdsworth, owner: Simon
Holdsworth 
Priority: Unassigned 
Status: Propsed resolution in JIRA 

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-60

JMS Default wire format insufficient
to cover real world usage 
Raiser: Mike Edwards, owner: Simon Holdsworth

Priority: 3 (deferred) 
Status: outline proposal in issue 

8. AOB
Scribe: Mike Edwards
90% of voting members present
Item 1 Agenda Bashing
no changes
Item 2 Minutes from Previous Meeting
Minutes from 25th February
Minutes are approved without change
Item 3 Action Items
20090211-4 [General] Write up HTTP binding
use cases 
20090709-2 [Editors] Update the WS binding
schema appendix title to include 1.1 
20091015-8 [Editors] Re: BINDINGS-99
point #8 - look at whether the non-normative references section is relevant
still, or needs to be populated (WS binding) 
20091015-9 [Editors] Re: BINDINGS-99
point #9 - clean up naming conventions section (WS binding) 
20091015-10 [Editors] Re: BINDINGS-99
point #10 - look for cleanup to clarify optionality (WS binding) 
20091015-12 [Editors] Re: BINDINGS-99
point #16 - mark Annexes as normative or not as appropriate (all specs)

20100218-2 [Editors] Make corresponding
changes in WS spec as per http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200912/msg00013.html
Anish is working on a new draft of the
WS Binding spec that should complete most of these
Item 4. New Issues 

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-124

No conformance target for non-SCA runtimes
that want to implement SCA WS Callback Protocol
Anish discusses the issue
Latest Proposal:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/201003/msg00000.html
Anish describes the outline of the proposal
- new conformance targets and related
conformance requirements
Eric: Concern I have is that the way
forward is to define targets not specific to SCA - and that this might
fall outside our charter.  We would also have to define test suite
components that would not be SCA based - that would be a lot of work.
Anish: I think that it is in scope.
Defining what clients and services have to do is within the scope of the
charter.
- with respect to testing, I have not
thought of that.
- perhaps all we need to do is to test
between SCA runtimes.
- testing is a larger discussion
Martin: I think that this is in scope.
 There is no change in function here - is just a relabelling - it
means no change to the tests either.
Tom: If we write the conformance claims
right, the tests will be the same for any implmentation, SCA or non-SCA.
 So we don't
need to "test the world".
Anish: We should try to enable interoperability
and bring clarity to this.
Anish moves to open Issue 124.  Seconded
by Martin.

Item 5. TC Schedule
Proposed schedule:

4th March: Focus on issues 87, 118 
11th March: Focus on issues 111, 120,
121, 122, 123; bindings specs and TA documents updated for all currently
resolved issues and ready for review for cd review. 
18th March: cd vote on bindings specs
and TA documents; discuss production of test case documents/test cases

25th March: Submit cd04 of bindings
specs for second public review; Initial test case documents and test cases
prepared for discussion/review 
22nd April: Test cases complete 
29th April: Submit cd01 of TA documents
and test cases for public review 

Item 7 Open Issues
Issue 118
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-118

BWS40005 is ambiguous 
Raiser: Anish Karmarkar, owner: Unassigned

Priority: Unassigned 
Status: Proposal in email: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/201002/msg00088.html
Simon discusses the issue and the proposal
above.
anish: FWIW, simon, your proposal looks
good to me
Simon: Makes the behaviour of the simple
forms of <binding.ws/> will be predictable
Anish: Question: not certain if we need
to add policySets to the list.
Simon: Probably it was an oversight
to leave them out.
- include policySets in that list
anish: In the event that the transport
details are not determined by use of the @wsdlElement attribute, policy
intents, policy sets, or extensions to the binding.ws element, an SCA runtime
MUST enable the default transport binding rules.
Mike moves to resolve Issue 118 by replacing
the BWS40005 normative statement with the following: In the event that
the transport details are not determined by use of the @wsdlElement attribute,
policy intents, policySets, or extensions to the binding.ws element, an
SCA runtime MUST enable the default transport binding rules.
Dave seconds
Anish: Should @uri be included in that
list?
anish: In the event that the transport
details are not determined by use of the @wsdlElement attribute, @uri attribute,
endpointReference element, policy intents, policy sets or extensions to
the binding.ws element, an SCA runtime MUST enable the default transport
binding rules.
Eric moves to amend the motion with
the text proposed by Anish above
seconded by Anish
Amendment is approved
Amended motion is passed unanimoulsy
Issue 87: 
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-87

Web Service callback standard is best
done by the appropriate Web Services working groups 
Raiser: PR comment, owner: Unassigned

Priority: 1 (PR comment needing disposition)

Status: latest email: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200911/msg00001.html
Anish discusses the points in the email
above
Simon: So the email has the response
to the original comment: no changes to the specs?
Anish: Yes
Simon: Is the TC happy for a response
to be drafted along the lines of the first 3 items in the email?
Tom: Moves to close Issue 87 with no
change to the specification.
Eric seconds
Motion passes unanimously
Issue 87 is closed
ACTION: 20100304-01: (Anish) Draft a
formal response to the original PR comment, ready for TC review.
(for Issue 87)


COB



Yours,  Mike.

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Co Chair OASIS SCA Assembly TC.
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