Re: Fw: [sca-bindings] 15-day Committee Specification Draft ReviewRequest for Service Component Architecture JMS Binding Specification Version1.1

[Robin Cover <robin@oasis-open.org>]

Simon,

I hope this restatement makes it easier for you or the TC to provide
clarification on the status of the "JMS XML Binding Schema", but
I am not able to determine whether it is truly a "part of" the
SCA JMS Binding Specification Version 1.1, since the apparent
URI identifies the resource as part of a Work Product produced
by the SCA Assembly TC.

Restatement of question about the status of the "JMS XML Binding Schema"
as part of the public review announcement for 'Service Component Architecture
JMS Binding Specification Version 1.1' (csprd03)

1. The question arose because in the preceding public review of this
    JMS Binding specification,
    http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/tc-announce/201006/msg00001.html
    the announcement identified the JMS XML Binding Schema as part of
    the review:
    "The schema files are available at:
    Schema:
    http://docs.oasis-open.org/opencsa/sca-assembly/sca-binding-jms-1.1-cd04.xsd

2. It seemed (to me) odd that a schema apparently developed by the
    SCA-Assembly TC would be referenced as part of the review for the
    work product of the SCA-Bindings TC, but OK.... for now... move on...

3. On analogy, if the 'csprd03' public review announcement is to make
    comparable reference to the machine-readable file for the
    JMS XML Binding Schema (sca-binding-jms-1.1.xsd), the proper
    URI would be:
    http://docs.oasis-open.org/opencsa/sca-assembly/sca-binding-jms-1.1-csd05.xsd

4. That file was published on 03-Nov-2010 16:45, apparently as a product
    of the SCA-Assembly TC
    sca-binding-jms-1.1-csd05.xsd  03-Nov-2010 16:45

5. So we could just ignore the "JMS XML Binding Schema" machine
    readable file as part of the 'csprd03' public review announcement,
    but it seems that the latest published instance of the "Service
    Component Architecture Assembly Model Specification Version 1.1"
    (at Committee Draft 06, 10 August 2010) punts to the "SCA JMS
    Binding Specification" as the source for the schema file

    http://docs.oasis-open.org/opencsa/sca-assembly/sca-assembly-1.1-spec-cd06.html#_Toc270599635
      (in Appendix A.9)

    "A.9 sca-binding-jms.xsd
    Is described in the SCA JMS Binding specification [SCA-JMSBINDING]"

      which says:

    "[SCA-JMSBINDING ]
    OASIS Committee Draft 04, "SCA JMS Binding Specification
    Version 1.1 Version 1.1", May 2010
    http://docs.oasis-open.org/opencsa/sca-bindings/sca-jmsbinding-1.1-spec.pdf "

6. In other words, it's difficult for me to determine whether the
    "JMS XML Binding Schema" is properly a "part of" the
    Assembly Model Specification or part of the JMS Binding Specification

7. I'm sure the difficulty lies in my failure to appreciate how the
    different specs align and cross-reference each other, but in terms
    of "part-whole" relations, I need to understand whether the
    "JMS XML Binding Schema" is defined canonically and normatively
    as "part of" one or the other specification.  That declaration would
    have implications as to where and when the Schema (now
    apparently at:
    http://docs.oasis-open.org/opencsa/sca-assembly/sca-binding-jms-1.1-csd05.xsd )
    would be part of public review.

Sorry for my confusion here.

- Robin

===== Other data:

Snippets from the SCA JMS Binding Specification csprd03

- "The binding.jms element MUST conform to the XML schema defined in
    sca-binding-jms-1.1.xsd [BJM30036]."
- 3.1 Extensibility: The JMS binding allows further customization of
    the binding element and its subelements with vendor specific
    attributes or elements.  This is done by providing extension points
    in the schema; refer to Appendix A, 'JMS XML Binding Schema:
    sca-binding-jms-1.1.xsd' for the locations of these extension
    points.

Robin Cover
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=============== initial message:

http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/201101/msg00016.html

On Mon, 24 Jan 2011, Robin Cover wrote:

> Simon,
>
> I made a tour over the history of the request (18/Nov/10 05:19 AM)
> and cannot account for why it got stalled apparently as of
> 23/Nov/10 03:50 PM.
>
> If there are untidy details you think I need to understand to
> process the public review request, please let me know, but
> otherwise I think the fastest path is to just help with
> clarifications and/or resources for the following, and then
> we should be ready for the PR announcement.
>
> - Robin
>
> 1. Please confirm that the specification for this public review
>   request has only one prose "part", referenced in [1]
>
> 2. Please clarify whether the two "Schema"[s] cited in
>   the specification are normative, and whether we
>   need to reference one or both by separate URI [2]
>   in the public review announcement.
>   My provisional opinion is that it suffice to reference/cite
>   just this schema URI, although the prose spec seems not to do
>   so:
>   http://docs.oasis-open.org/opencsa/sca-assembly/sca-binding-jms-1.1-csd05.xsd
>
> 3. Changes/diff
>
>   Per TC Process "Changes made to a committee draft after a
>   review must be clearly identified in any subsequent review..."
>   See questions below about the diff document or list
>   of changes that should be referenced in the announcement
>
> 4. does the TC have a "recommendation from the TC of external
>   stakeholders who should be notified of the review" ?
>   ["none" is acceptable]
>
>
> ===== References:
>
> [1] 'csprd03' as apparent subject of 15-day review
>
> Service Component Architecture JMS Binding Specification Version 1.1
> Committee Specification Draft 05 /
> Public Review Draft 03
> 8 November 2010
>
> Specification URIs:
> This Version:
> http://docs.oasis-open.org/opencsa/sca-bindings/sca-jmsbinding-1.1-spec-csprd03.html
> http://docs.oasis-open.org/opencsa/sca-bindings/sca-jmsbinding-1.1-spec-csprd03.doc
> http://docs.oasis-open.org/opencsa/sca-bindings/sca-jmsbinding-1.1-spec-csprd03.pdf 
> (Authoritative)
>
> * note that this spec was uploaded in November
>
> [2] Additional "parts" or schemas that may require reference in the
>    public review announcement
>
> a) [Spec Appendix] A. JMS XML Binding Schema: sca-binding-jms-1.1.xsd
>   http://docs.oasis-open.org/opencsa/sca-bindings/sca-jmsbinding-1.1-spec-csprd03.html#_Toc276112160
>
> - is the "JMS XML Binding Schema" intended to be normative?
>  If so, we expect a plain text file
> - the apparent filename for the schema is "sca-binding-jms-1.1.xsd"
> - what is the corresponding URI?
> - possible candidate URI is:
>  http://docs.oasis-open.org/opencsa/sca-assembly/sca-binding-jms-1.1-csd05.xsd
> - hint: previous public review suggests
>  http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/tc-announce/201006/msg00001.html, was:
>  http://docs.oasis-open.org/opencsa/sca-assembly/sca-binding-jms-1.1-cd04.xsd
>
> snippets:
>
> - "The binding.jms element MUST conform to the XML schema defined in
>   sca-binding-jms-1.1.xsd [BJM30036]."
> - 3.1 Extensibility: The JMS binding allows further customization of
>   the binding element and its subelements with vendor specific
>   attributes or elements.  This is done by providing extension points
>   in the schema; refer to Appendix A, 'JMS XML Binding Schema:
>   sca-binding-jms-1.1.xsd' for the locations of these extension
>   points.
> - from NS document at: http://docs.oasis-open.org/ns/opencsa/sca/200912
>  any hints?
>
> b) Spec section "3 JMS Binding Schema"
>   http://docs.oasis-open.org/opencsa/sca-bindings/sca-jmsbinding-1.1-spec-csprd03.html#_Toc276112132
>
> - does this content for "JMS Binding Schema" have, or need,
>  and external file and URI?
>
> [3] Changes/diff
>
> In the submission request -322 (Additional Resources), the form
> value states
>
>   "[3] http://www.oasis-open.org/simplediffplease";
>
> Was that a request to have TC Admin produce a diff document?
>
> The diff we need should be a diff of B against A (right?):
>
> A: 
> http://docs.oasis-open.org/opencsa/sca-bindings/sca-jmsbinding-1.1-spec-cd04.doc
> B: 
> http://docs.oasis-open.org/opencsa/sca-bindings/sca-jmsbinding-1.1-spec-csd05.doc
>
> If the TC can provide this diff document, it will be appreciated.  If we need
> to do it, I'll make arrangements.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Robin Cover
> Interim TC Administrator
> OASIS, Director of Information Services
> Editor, Cover Pages and XML Daily Newslink
> Email: robin@oasis-open.org
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>
> On Mon, 24 Jan 2011, Simon Holdsworth wrote:
>
>> Robin.
>> 
>> I've still not seen a response to this request regarding the JMS binding 15 
>> day review.  It is now over 2 months since the
>> original request for PR was made. I would appreciate it if you could 
>> acknowledge receipt of this mail and let me know the
>> status/outlook for this public review request.
>> 
>> Thanks, Simon
>> 
>> Simon Holdsworth
>> STSM, SCA Bindings Architect; Master Inventor; OASIS SCA Bindings TC Chair, 
>> AT&T and Boeing Lab Advocate
>> MP 211, IBM UK Labs, Hursley Park, Winchester SO21 2JN, UK
>> Tel +44-1962-815059 (Internal 245059) Fax +44-1962-816898
>> Internet - Simon_Holdsworth@uk.ibm.com
>> 
>> __________________
>> 
>> Robin,
>> 
>> Not sure if my previous mail got through to you... we are still waiting for 
>> the 15 day public review to start as recorded in
>> 
>> http://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/TCADMIN-322
>> 
>> Thanks, Simon
>> 
>> Simon Holdsworth
>> STSM, SCA Bindings Architect; Master Inventor; OASIS SCA Bindings TC Chair, 
>> AT&T and Boeing Lab Advocate
>> MP 211, IBM UK Labs, Hursley Park, Winchester SO21 2JN, UK
>> Tel +44-1962-815059 (Internal 245059) Fax +44-1962-816898
>> Internet - Simon_Holdsworth@uk.ibm.com
>> 
>> __________________
>> 
>> I was under the impression we had resolved the dependency for the XSD file 
>> for the JMS binding spec public review, I'd
>> appreciate it if you could let me know current status of this as I've not 
>> seen any announcement of the public review on the
>> mailing list.
>> 
>> The request is logged in 
>> http://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/TCADMIN-322  which is in 
>> "submission review" state.
>> 
>> Regards, Simon
>> 
>> Simon Holdsworth
>> STSM, SCA Bindings Architect; Master Inventor; OASIS SCA Bindings TC Chair, 
>> AT&T and Boeing Lab Advocate
>> MP 211, IBM UK Labs, Hursley Park, Winchester SO21 2JN, UK
>> Tel +44-1962-815059 (Internal 245059) Fax +44-1962-816898
>> Internet - Simon_Holdsworth@uk.ibm.com
>> ----- Forwarded by Simon Holdsworth/UK/IBM on 06/01/2011 13:28 -----
>> 
>> From:        Simon Holdsworth/UK/IBM
>> To:        mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org
>> Cc:        Mike Edwards/UK/IBM@IBMGB, Bryan Aupperle/Raleigh/IBM@IBMUS
>> Date:        13/12/2010 13:39
>> Subject:        Re: [sca-bindings] 15-day Committee Specification Draft 
>> Review Request for Service Component Architecture JMS
>> Binding Specification Version 1.1
>> 
>> ____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
>> 
>> 
>> Mary,
>> 
>> What is the status of this request now?  I believe Mike Edwards has sorted 
>> out the updated XSD files for all the specs
>> including this one.
>> 
>> Thanks, Simon
>> 
>> Simon Holdsworth
>> STSM, SCA Bindings Architect; Master Inventor; OASIS SCA Bindings TC Chair, 
>> AT&T and Boeing Lab Advocate
>> MP 211, IBM UK Labs, Hursley Park, Winchester SO21 2JN, UK
>> Tel +44-1962-815059 (Internal 245059) Fax +44-1962-816898
>> Internet - Simon_Holdsworth@uk.ibm.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From:        "mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org" <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>
>> To:        sca-bindings@lists.oasis-open.org
>> Date:        18/11/2010 10:22
>> Subject:        [sca-bindings] 15-day Committee Specification Draft Review 
>> Request for Service Component Architecture JMS
>> Binding Specification Version 1.1
>> 
>> ____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The following request has been submitted to the OASIS TC Administrator on 
>> 18/11/2010:
>> Submitter's Name
>>   Simon Holdsworth
>> TC Name
>>   SCA Bindings
>> TC Email Address
>>   sca-bindings@lists.oasis-open.org
>> Work Product Title
>>   Service Component Architecture JMS Binding Specification Version 1.1
>> Committee Specification Draft ##
>>   csd01
>> CSD URI
>>   
>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-bindings/download.php/40045/sca-jmsbinding-1.1-spec-cd04-rev3.doc
>> Additional Resources
>>   http://www.oasis-open.org/simplediffplease
>> Approval Link
>>   
>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-bindings/download.php/40245/SCA%20Bindings%20minutes%202010-11-11.doc
>> Previous Public Review Announcement
>>   http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/tc-announce/201006/msg00001.html
>> Abstract
>>   SCA JMS Binding Specification
>> TC Description
>>   The SCA Bindings technical committee defines the manner in which SCA 
>> composites and components communicate using a variety
>> of protocols
>> Notes
>>   Please generate a diff from the previous published PR version, which was 
>> cd04.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thank you for your request. We will confirm receipt and schedule the public 
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