Raw Text & Attendance from SCA Bindings TC meeting 24 Feb 2011

[Mike Edwards <mike_edwards@uk.ibm.com>]

Attendees:

Bryan Aupperle
David Booz
Martin Chapman
Mike Edwards
Eric Johnson
Ashok Malhotra
Tom Rutt
Anish Karmarkar
Plamen Pavlov


Agenda

Opening

Introductions

Scribe assignment

Top of the scribe list:

Plamen Pavlov SAP AG
Laurent Domenech TIBCO Software Inc.
Ant Elder IBM
Bryan Aupperle IBM
David Booz IBM
Martin Chapman Oracle Corporation
Tom Rutt Fujitsu Limited
Eric Johnson TIBCO Software Inc.
Ashok Malhotra Oracle Corporation
Anish Karmarkar Oracle Corporation

Pro-tem chair appointment

Agenda bashing

2. Approval of the minutes from 17 February:

http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/41192/SCA%20Bindings%20minutes%202011-02-17.doc

3. Actions

20110203-1 [Eric Johnson] Ask how long
the IETF standardization process is likely to take for the JMS URI spec?
20110203-2 [Simon Holdsworth] Check
on reference update for new revision of IETF JMS URI spec, possible designated
cross reference with TC Admin
20110217-1 [Anish Karmarkar] Send a
proposal wrt TA/TC conformance section
20110217-2 [Mike Edwards] Raise an issue
regarding conformance sections and references
20110217-3 [Eric Johnson] Raise an issue
to update the JMS spec reference

4. New Issues

BINDINGS-142: Missing links to test
artifacts
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-142

BINDINGS-143: Missing links to test
artifacts (JMS)
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-143

BINDINGS-144: Updates to normative references
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-144

BINDINGS-xxx: Web Services Binding specification
should require conformance to the Web Services Binding TestCases

BINDINGS-yyy: WS Binding Testcases document
has no conformance section


5. AOB

Scribe: Bryan Aupperle
Topic: Appointment of Pro-tem chair
Motion: Ashok, second Dave - Appoint
Mike as pro-tem chair
Resolution: Motion passes w/o
Topic: Agenda Bashing
Issues 142-146 added to Item 4.
Agena agreed with new issues added
Topic: Approval of minutes
No comments
Resolution: Minutes approved w/o
Topic: Action Items
20110203-1 - Done
20110203-2 - Mail to TC admin sent,
no response.  Leave open
20110217-1 - Done
20110217-2 - Done
20110217-3 - Done

Topic: BINDINGS-142: Missing links to
test artifacts
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-142
Bryan reviews issue
Motion: Bryan, second Tom - Open Issue
142
Resolution: Motion passes w/o

Topic: BINDINGS-143: Missing links to
test artifacts (JMS)
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-143
Bryan describes issue
Motion: Bryan, second Dave- Open Issue
143
Resolution: Motion passes w/o
Bryan outlines proposal
Anish: Prefers option of using a normative
reference
Anish: this also related to issues 145
and 146
Bryan: Agree for need for tight coupling.
 Not sure how we would reference.
Anish: In ideal case we would only have
main spec and the test artifacts, no test case document.
Bryan; Treat like schema are treated
in specs.
Mike: And we do the same with API artifacts.
Anish: Comparison with schema is apt.
Anish: Resolution of these issues depends
on Issue 145.

TOpic: BINDINGS-144: Updates to normative
references
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-144
Eric reviews issue
Anish: Old links will properly redirect.
Motion: Eric, second Bryan - Open Issue
144
Resolution: Motion passes w/o
Eric reviews proposal
Mike: We know the IETF reference is
likely to be updated soon.  Do we know if we can use the DCR process
for this?
Anish: that is part of AI 20110203-2.
 Also note that this ties the status change of one spec to that of
the referenced spec.
Anish: Will the draft spec URL time
out after 6 months?
Eric: Yes.
Eric Johnson: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-merrick-jms-uri-12
Anish: Is there an alternative URL we
can use?
Eric Johnson: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-merrick-jms-uri/
Eric: link above does not expire.
Anish: I would prefer a permanent URL.
Eric: Only concern is that ITEF does
not guarantee stability of tool for the permanent link.
Motion: Eric, second - Resolve issue
144 with proposal in JIRA with URL for JMS URI replace with http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-merrick-jms-uri-12.
s/replace/replaced/
Motion: Eric, second Bryan - Resolve
issue 144 with proposal in JIRA with URL for JMS URI replaced with http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-merrick-jms-uri-12.
Resolution: Motion passes w/o

Topic: BINDINGS-145: Web Services Binding
specification should require conformance to the Web Services Binding TestCases
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-145
Anish reviews issue
Eric: We have not really looked at this
in Tibco yet, so it may be overly broad and thus may not be appropriate
for a conformance criteria.
Eric: May be more appropriate for the
exit criteria.
Bryan: Web Services could be implemented
in other implementations types not currently in the zip archive.  So
we may need a different approach for this association.
Tom: The actual normative criteria are
the normative statements so the test cases would be redundant (possibly
faulty) criteria.
Anish: Yes redundancy exists.  But
only spec wonks like us worry about the normative statements.  General
fields is more interested in the test suite.
Mike E takes over scribing
Anish: Re implementation types, Assembly
does a good job of describing the adaptation to new impl types
Anish: WRT Eric's comment about the
possibility of the testcases being too broad, it is possible, but unlikely
because of the route that we took of creating TAs and then linking the
testcases to them
Anish: So we know that we're testing
what we should
Mike: I want to point out what I think
is a misconception - the test suite tests SCA runtimes - some people claim
that the testcases test the specification, but I think that is wrong -
it is the SCA runtime implementations that test the specification, that
it can be implemented- the testcases help verify that the SCA runtimes
have correctly implemented (parts of) the spec, no more

COB
Continue the debate next week.


Yours, Mike

Dr Mike Edwards		Mail Point 146, Hursley Park
STSM		Winchester, Hants SO21 2JN
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Co-Chair OASIS SCA Assembly TC
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