RE: raw minutes 11/01

["Durand, Jacques R." <JDurand@us.fujitsu.com>]

Slightly edited minutes of 2007/11/01

 

- please note 3 new action items, given IDs:  #0016, #0017, #0018

- added meta data stuff at beginning (e.g. meting metadata, URL of email announcing agenda) to comply with expected structure.

- other minor fixes to scribing conventions the xslt will need.

- let me know if I missed some attendees.

 

Jacques

 

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jacques: meeting: weekly SCA BPEL conference call

jacques: date: 2007-11-01

jacques: scribe: jacques

jacques: agenda: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200711/msg00010.html

jacques: Anish: did update to agenda

jacques: attendees are:

Michael Pellegrini  Active Endpoints, Inc.
Michael Rowley BEA Systems, Inc.
Jacques Durand Fujitsu Limited*
Mike Edwards IBM 
Martin Chapman Oracle Corporation
Anish Karmarkar Oracle Corporation
Ashok Malhotra Oracle Corporation
Jeff Mischkinsky Oracle Corporation
Alex Yiu Oracle Corporation
Sanjay Patil SAP AG*
Danny van der Rijn TIBCO Software Inc.

Najeeb Andrabi  TIBCO Software Inc.

Sanjay: Anish, I have to step out and I will be on the road for the next 30 mins. Just fyi.

anish: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-bpel/event.php?event_id=16226&day=1193911200

jacques: topic: agenda item 4

jacques: anish: no formatted minute yet, asked Bob for processor

jacques: sanjay: Bob should do it end of this week, not yet

jacques: anish: we have raw minutes Oct 11, Oct 18, Oct 25, should be able to approve that

jacques: jeff: move we approve raw minutes of Oct 11-to-25

jacques: mike R: seconded

jacques: sanjay: technically we can't upload them before formatted

jacques: resolution: motion passed unanimously (raw format acceptable)

jacques: action: id=0010 owner=MikeEdwards status=pending

jacques: anish: about informing other TCs thats a change in process

jacques: anish: few weeks ago, made changes in possible status - resolved to apply in normal case

jacques: s/apply/applied

jacques: anish: still pending AI

jacques: action: id=0011 owner=NajeebAndrabi statu=closed

jacques: anish: closed

jacques: topic: Nominate representative to the Inter-SCA Liaison Committee

jacques: sanjay: did send an email on this (subject line on Policy) sent to member section public list

jacques: topic: New issues

jacques: topic: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BPEL-13

jacques: anish: (email : issue 2) proposed suggestion as in email.

jacques: anish: do we approve this new issue?

jacques: Mike E: motion to approve issue 13

jacques: Mike R: second

jacques: resolution: motion accepted

jacques: topic: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BPEL-14

jacques: anish: thought it requires an issue on its own - should be able to do that in BPEL process

jacques: Mike E: if you wish you can annotate BPEL process, in Java, added an issue for this

jacques: Mike E: this issue here is about same thing.

jacques: anish: we can alway s close with no action later

jacques: Mike E: I move to accept issue

jacques: Jeff: seconded

jacques: resolution: motion accepted

jacques: topic: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BPEL-5

jacques: Danny: have not been up to date on this to discuss it yet

jacques: anish: we need to discuss this on this call - important

anish: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200710/msg00022.html

jacques: Mike R: proposed to close with no action

jacques: ... a spec making normative statement is confusing: forward ref on static analysis of context

jacques: s/of context/of process

jacques: anish: need editorial tweaks, otherwise there is agreement - to be fixed by email (Danny?)

jacques: danny: will have time to help on this

jacques: mike R: not sure what can be done - need to clarify

jacques: danny: can take this action item

anish: action: id=0016 owner=danny status=open

jacques: action item #0016: Danny to come back with a rewording proposal for issue-5

jacques: topic: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BPEL-11

jacques: anish: no email discussion on this

jacques: issue about BPEL variable initialisation. Precedence issue.

jacques: ... similar issue in Java

anish: DESCRIPTION: Is the target variable allowed to have an initialization

defined within the BPEL process and if so, is this initialization ignored?

It seems like the initialization should be allowed but not executed in the

case where a process is packaged as an SCA and the property is provided by

the component. It's probably also worth pointing out that the variable must

be an element or type variable. Message variables cannot be initialized by

an SCA property.

jacques: mike R: cannot use kword MUST in this case -

jacques: anish: sufficient to say "this MUST NOT happen" (error generation is not mandated)

jacques: Sanjay: all depends if it make sense to initialise mesg properties

jacques: mike R: issue is about allowing people to generate error

jacques: mike P: agree with Mike R.

jacques: alex: Agree to use term MUST in this case

jacques: najeeb: an issue only for the inbound. If outbound, can initialise at SCA level.

jacques: najeeb: out variable, if SCA property then we have a valid case

jacques: mike R: inching to consensus on this point: shouldnot be allowed for message vars

jacques: mike R: second point more tricky - deafult values

anish: action: id=0017 owner= MikeP status=open

jacques: action item #0017 is for MikeP to propose a sentence for resolving the 2nd part of issue 11

jacques: ... point is: component type knows it has default value – rather not trying to define override. If SCArop = yes, initialisation defines default value

Michael Rowley: If a variable with sca property="yes" had an initialization expression, than that expression is treated as the default value of the SCA property.

anish: s/had/has/

Danny van der Rijn: s/than/then

jacques: anish: question: if default val does not show up in component type, what teh pint?

jacques: mike R: still useful: does not need to be set

jacques: s/teh pint/the point

jacques: mike R: may need introduce concept optional property , not default value - affect assembly spec

jacques: anish: asign an action to someone

jacques: anish: it is not a fixed value

jacques: anish: that can be used in the componentType

Mike Pellegrini1: A BPEL variable which is marked with an sca property="yes" must be either an XML Schema Type or an XML Schema Element type variable. This is directly related to the assembly spec which states a property is one of type or element.

jacques: anish: mike R will sent response to issue 11

anish: action: id=0018 owner=MikeR status=open

jacques: action item #0018 is for MikeR to follow up on the 1st part of issue 11 on email

anish thanks Jacques for taking minutes</B

jacques: resolution: motion to adjourn from Anish, approved unanimously.